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NintendoPie on 30 January 2012

Didn't Reggie say they were going to be unlike Sony and release everything in 1080p?... Well! Mr. Iwata's views are much different.



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Play4Fun on 30 January 2012
ryuzaki57 said:
pezus said:

http://gamingbolt.com/all-wii-u-games-do-not-need-to-be-in-glorious-full-blown-hd-iwata

 

While the Wii U is completely capable of delivering glorious HD graphics, Nintendo doesn’t think it’s necessary for all Wii U games to be in full HD. They do not want to get stuck in a tech-based competition against their rivals.

“As we will showcase the Wii U at E3 in June this year, the detailed announcements must wait until then, but we are aiming to make a system which shall not be forced into competing with the others where the contenders can fight only with massive developer resources and long development times as their weapons,” said Nintendo boss Satoru Iwata during an investor Q&A last week.

“Looking at the software for home console systems, there are certainly the software titles for which very rich graphics must be reproduced on HD displays and which demand a large number of developers to spend a very long time to develop.

“It is one of the truths that a certain number of such software titles must be prepared, or the consumers will not be satisfied. But we do not think that any and all the software must be created in that fashion.

“When you look at Nintendo’s software, extraordinary rich graphics, massive gameplay volume and astonishing rendition effects are not necessarily the appealing point. It is, in fact, important for us that our games are appealing in other ways as well.”

Using Nintendo’s quirky game, Rhythm Thief as an example, he said, “If we had adopted rich photo-realistic graphics, it would have lost much of its appeal.”

“It is not necessary for us to deploy a huge number of people in order to develop such games,” he continued, stating that, more than ever, Nintendo is bringing in third parties when it does need to develop more graphically complex titles.

 

So basically Nintendo intends to keep developing cheap casual games, maximize profitability, cash millions, never innovate, and let 3rd parties take all the risks on the core gamers' market. Wait! Isn't that exactly what they're doing on Wii and 3DS? How courageous...

Reading comprehension fail.

Even worse, Nintendo haven't made a ton of core games for Wii?

Wii series not innovative?

Multiple fails all in one post.



Ghutto on 30 January 2012

Ok Mr. Iwata, now start working with Silicon Knights and bring a beautiful, fun and scary Eternal Darkness II for the Wii U.



teigaga on 30 January 2012

Iwata makes the mistake of equating "glorious, full-blown HD" graphics to photorealism. What the additional power and higher resolution allows developers to do, is achieve a final result closer to their concept art/initial vision. The mentality he should adopt, is that developers work within a budget, and within that budget they should have the graphics fufill their potential (regardless of art style). But what it sounds like, and what nintendo have done in the past, is develop visuals up to a point which they think is acceptable and then go "there, this will do!" their treatment of the pokemon series is strong example of this.

I'm worried because this already sounds like them making excuses for game with visuals similar to wii or old HD titles. Just have a look at "New super mario Mii", its visuals are sub-par and do not do the art style complete justice. Visuals and are a key asset of any gaming experience, they are not be neglected. Not only is it something to be appreciated in isolation but visual feedback has a strong effect on how fun/engaging you perceive a particular action or process to be. Anyone who's played Naruto Ninja storm will know that the fluid animations and gorgeous effects makes the fairly shallow combat, a lot more enjoyable.



ryuzaki57 on 30 January 2012
sethnintendo said:

@ryu, Nintendo never innovates? lol give me what you are smoking.

I don't smoke I drink... and only on weekends :)

Sorry I should have said "since motion controls"



 

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Virus-Of-Life on 30 January 2012

At least they understand that some games really do need to be given an HD make-over.



IIIIITHE1IIIII on 30 January 2012

Super Mario Galaxy 1/2 looked beautiful even with the awful hardware the Wii offered. I'm confident all of Nintendo's games will look absolutely stunning even with little efforts on graphics; their fenomenal designers will make sure that!

As for F-Zero, Nintendo should once again hand it to Sega though... or maybe Retro Studios. That game needs massive online capabilities and cutting-edge graphics! Probably the game I'm looking forward to the most next generation.



Play4Fun on 30 January 2012
teigaga said:
Iwata makes the mistake of equating "glorious, full-blown HD" graphics to photorealism.


It's not really a mistake since that's how some of the hardcore market thinks.



NintendoPie on 30 January 2012
spurgeonryan said:
Play4Fun said:
spurgeonryan said:
I was not going to comment on this, but I just found an article about this. Why do they need to even think this way at all? This has gotten them in trouble on multiple consoles now. If they want to continue to be successful, they need to embrace graphics. Casual gamers will only buy so many games. They need core gamers to come to the Wii U.
It is possible for them to continue to make games that are great with just mediocre graphics or even decent graphics, but why do it? It is a cop out. People, Stock holders, critics, analyst, etc are weary enough about the Wii U Nintendo. Please do not give more reasons to doubt the wii U.
HD Zelda
HD Pokemon
Start with that.
Oh and HD F Zero and HD Pikmin and HDSuper Smash Bros as well.


No, he is right. Not every game needs to push hardware to its limits.

That kind of thinking will doom even more devs next gen.

Like Iwata said, the big Nintendo games, such as Zelda and I guess Metroid, 3D Mario will benefit from it but some of their other Franchises don't need that.

It's the same for 3rd party software as well, not every publisher is EA or Ubisoft. the mediun sized/small developers should not feel that they have to match the graphics/production values of the games from the bigger devs.


I of course agree. But We know what sells in this day and age. Yes, Wii did well because of their gamble with motion control, and some great games! But does Nintendo really want to go down this road again? I do not think that all their games need to be pushing the graphics boundaries that PC and the other HD twins have done over the last 5 years. But I do not think that they should be trying to make what they have been in the past either. The Wii had decent looking games, but do we have to have another 30 games that all look like Mii's on the Wii U as well? They did what they could with the graphics on the wii, GC, and N64. That was admirable. They did a great job!

Investors and gamers are ready to either jump ship or weather the storm with the Wii U. Saying that we are not going to do all games with HD graphics is not what people want to hear right now.

Gamers want to hear:

Great graphics

Strong 3rd party support

No game droughts!!!

When are our favorite franchises coming out.

Gamers do not want to hear:

Iwata says they are not in a tech race

Not all games will be HD (of course not, they do not need to be, only the ones that count!)

Online is going to mediocre.

No information at all. Why wait for everything until E3?

 

 

 

So I agree and disagree. I also think that the new Zelda needs to be HD. Why not go all out? Get people excited!

WHAT?! Iwata said mediocre online? Wow...



NintendoPie on 30 January 2012
spurgeonryan said:
NintendoPie said:
spurgeonryan said:
Play4Fun said:
spurgeonryan said:
I was not going to comment on this, but I just found an article about this. Why do they need to even think this way at all? This has gotten them in trouble on multiple consoles now. If they want to continue to be successful, they need to embrace graphics. Casual gamers will only buy so many games. They need core gamers to come to the Wii U.
It is possible for them to continue to make games that are great with just mediocre graphics or even decent graphics, but why do it? It is a cop out. People, Stock holders, critics, analyst, etc are weary enough about the Wii U Nintendo. Please do not give more reasons to doubt the wii U.
HD Zelda
HD Pokemon
Start with that.
Oh and HD F Zero and HD Pikmin and HDSuper Smash Bros as well.


No, he is right. Not every game needs to push hardware to its limits.

That kind of thinking will doom even more devs next gen.

Like Iwata said, the big Nintendo games, such as Zelda and I guess Metroid, 3D Mario will benefit from it but some of their other Franchises don't need that.

It's the same for 3rd party software as well, not every publisher is EA or Ubisoft. the mediun sized/small developers should not feel that they have to match the graphics/production values of the games from the bigger devs.


I of course agree. But We know what sells in this day and age. Yes, Wii did well because of their gamble with motion control, and some great games! But does Nintendo really want to go down this road again? I do not think that all their games need to be pushing the graphics boundaries that PC and the other HD twins have done over the last 5 years. But I do not think that they should be trying to make what they have been in the past either. The Wii had decent looking games, but do we have to have another 30 games that all look like Mii's on the Wii U as well? They did what they could with the graphics on the wii, GC, and N64. That was admirable. They did a great job!

Investors and gamers are ready to either jump ship or weather the storm with the Wii U. Saying that we are not going to do all games with HD graphics is not what people want to hear right now.

Gamers want to hear:

Great graphics

Strong 3rd party support

No game droughts!!!

When are our favorite franchises coming out.

Gamers do not want to hear:

Iwata says they are not in a tech race

Not all games will be HD (of course not, they do not need to be, only the ones that count!)

Online is going to mediocre.

No information at all. Why wait for everything until E3?

 

 

 

So I agree and disagree. I also think that the new Zelda needs to be HD. Why not go all out? Get people excited!

WHAT?! Iwata said mediocre online? Wow...

Did I put quotations somewhere?

 

You said online is going to  be mediocre... sorry about my outburst I'm still recovering from my divorce with MBP.