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Michael-5 on 15 September 2011
Pavolink said:
Michael-5 said:
Why are Super Mario Galaxy and Super Paper Mario here? Did Nintendo suddenly add them to the players choice games?

Also lol at Resistance, got outsold by Dead Island (360) and almost outsold by Dead Island (PS3). RE3 is under appreciated, but after RE2 I can understand why the user base isn't big. Online multiplayer is never active.

Bet no one noticed Rise of Nightmares. Guess that game isn't going to be budging Kinect sales.


Since the first announcement, IIRC

If I wasn't over saturated on games, I would buy Super Paper Mario and Super Mario Galaxy. Looks like they are going to have to wait a bit, but I will get them.



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ZaneWane on 15 September 2011
Seece said:
Wow at Dead Island, so happy for them!! Looks like Resistance will have trouble breaking 250k first week


Its looking that way



yo_john117 on 15 September 2011
BenVTrigger said:
Dead Island is heavily undertracked just to let ya guys know. Sold out company wide week 1 and the developer says they already went through 2 million shipments across all platforms.

That is fanatastic news!



Ping_ii on 15 September 2011
ZaneWane said:
Seece said:
Wow at Dead Island, so happy for them!! Looks like Resistance will have trouble breaking 250k first week


Its looking that way


HAHAHA!! soo much for that.

Resistance 3 already @ 254k without japan.



yo_john117 on 15 September 2011
Ping_ii said:
ZaneWane said:
Seece said:
Wow at Dead Island, so happy for them!! Looks like Resistance will have trouble breaking 250k first week


Its looking that way


HAHAHA!! soo much for that.

Resistance 3 already @ 254k without japan.

Why are you so uppity?



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Nsanity on 15 September 2011

Is Dead Island undertracked?



Claymore on 15 September 2011

I think Resistance 3 may struggle to even hit 10k in Japan to be honest it was released at the same time as Tales of xillia which the Japanese went nuts over.



Boutros on 15 September 2011
Claymore said:

I think Resistance 3 may struggle to even hit 10k in Japan to be honest it was released at the same time as Tales of xillia which the Japanese went nuts over.

Media Create numbers are already out and Resistance 3 did 20k.



Reasonable on 16 September 2011
Rafux said:
Reasonable said:

Pretty much as expected start for R3 I'd argue, given it's status relative to the franchise. R2 drew a lot of heat after a fair bit of initially positive hype, with both it's SP and MP aspects heavily criticized. The only element everyone seemed to like was the totally separate coop element.

R2 also threw the franchise out of sync vs Resistance 1 by committing a number of (in hindsight) bloody obvious errors:

- changing core gameplay from what most seemed to like about the first title (old school FPS, long SP campaign, variety of weapons and gameplay) linked to a pretty fast and fun MP to an obvious Halo/CoD clone. In particular I'd note that when a key USP for your franchise is the crazy weapons and lots of 'em limiting the player to two is simply self defeating

- abruptly and with poor explanation changing a lot of the feel of the Universe which clearly threw off a lot of people who found the alternative history setting a real USP for the franchise

- being too rushed with obvious flaws vs what the first title delivered (although I have to admit at least Insomniac where endearingly open about this in behind the scenes videos, etc)


Coming after that, R3 was bound to be somewhat muted. The reviews have been decent but not great and while it does capture what was popular in the first (TBH its almost a re-telling of the first really just based in US this time) it lost the one thing R2 added everyone liked, the crazy separate coop.

Word of mouth seems positive so I expect it'll slowly trek to OK numbers, but R3 would have needed to be perfect to recover from the damage R2 did to the franchise IMHO.

Pretty good start for Dead Island though - player preferences cutting through critics views as easily as a Transformers movie. Patches incoming to keep that baby going I'd imagine given it looks like being a bit of a sleeper hit.

HW pretty much as expected.

Only other thing of note for me is Rise of Nightmares - unless it sees a big boost for holidays it's going to tank.  I remain unconvinced with Kinect as a platform for big sales currently (Adverntures doesn't count as it's bundled and outside that it's only supported a few solid hits so far).  I'm assuming MS are planning to market Kinect heavily for the holidays, and TBH I think they're going to have to as I'm not sure it has enough momentum to do anything like last year without special pushing unless some of the upcoming titles (maybe Star Wars) click with families.

You pretty much nailed, R2 really did some damage to the franchise.

I think games share similar profile to movies here.  A good movie that generates goodwill will see sequels thrive, a movie that generates badwill will see sequels hurt.  Same goes for games.  RFOM gave IG a chance at a pretty strong FPS franchise, but they messed up with R2 and the damge was done.  Overall across all three games Restiance will bottom out as a very decent second tier FPS franchise, but any hopes of more were squashed with the customer reaction to R2 IMHO.



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justinian on 16 September 2011
kowenicki said:
justinian said:
Dallinor said:
kowenicki said:
Dallinor said:
kowenicki said:

Res3 not a great opening... will do better in EMEAA (or rather it should given the amount of advertising spend - its on TV almost permanently and in high profile programs too)

PS3 will be down quite a bit YOY for next few weeks. Wii is down YOY massively.... 360 awaits its price cut (massively down next week YOY (REACH anniversary)

3DS.. ok I guess... PSP needs Vita.


I've seen it a few times. 'Almost permanently' is a complete exaggeration. I've seen games advertised on the tv far, far more than it.

You are wrong, its never off... very heavily advertised.

I was having this discussion the other day with a PS3 fan on this very site.    For instance it was advrtised in  between all the live UK champions league games... thats expensive.

Do you have sky?  do you watch the commercial UK channels?


Yes I have Sky, that's why I commented.

As it's purely annecdotal how often we both see the ads, I guess we can't really debate this effectively. I'd say it's been advertised more than the usual Sony exclusive though, which usually gets about £1m in tv advertising expenditure in the UK, but nowhere near on the same level as some other high profile games advertised in the past, from what I've seen.

Anyway, it's a poor opening in NA, and I imagine the opening in EMEAA will be poor also.

It's not been that heavily advertised. Kowenicki said that it was heavily advertised during the UK CL games.

The champions league only started on Tuesday so I don't see how that helps with last weeks sales but maybe he meant looking foward.

It has been more heavily advertised over a longer period on channel 5 Playstation sponsored movies.

Regardless I don't see how champions league games between 7pm - 10pm and movies usually after 9pm equates to "permanently on". I will check the networks for a breakdown at work out of personal interest.

It's a bad opening for R2 and I don't expect wonders in Europe.

really?

Oh look....

http://thesilentchief.com/2011/09/04/sony-launches-huge-resistance-3-ad-campaign-across-the-pond/

http://www.gamespact.com/2011/09/08/resistance-3-getting-3-mil-advertising-campaign-in-uk/

£3m in Europe alone... that massive advertising for a game.


£3m is crap advertising in UK, Europe a standard game and does not give you "permanently on" status, regardless of what some site  on the internet says.

I won't even bother breaking down how many games spent more that that this year and I am not talking blockbusters like Halo or Cod that runs into treble figures advertising.

I will say in your favour that for an exclusive PS3 game it is above average but not by much.

The upcoming $100m+ ad campaign for (surely at least 25m of that in UK or Europe and not a pathetic 3m) Battlefield 3 is Massive.

Sony had always advertised on Sky Sports during Champions League games as a sponsor, all they did was change the ad to reflect R2. Not much extra cost there.

I am not saying that R2 is in the league of CoD but $150m all regions advertising on Modern warfare is now pretty average for a big game and gives you "permanently on" status across a lot of channels, radio and press.