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Thanks for the tips guys. I can now view the website. very disturbing stuff especially the fact that an innocent soldier was put in jail for exposing the "truth" and has his life in jeopardy while the guilty walk free...wtf?



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Pristine20 said:

Thanks for the tips guys. I can now view the website. very disturbing stuff especially the fact that an innocent soldier was put in jail for exposing the "truth" and has his life in jeopardy while the guilty walk free...wtf?

Reminds me of WW2 when FDR had Churchill throw a US Journalist in jail for discovering their secret conversations and plans and trying to plan a way to bring the US into the war at a time when the US specifically wanted to stay out of the war, and FDR just won a campaign on "Keeping us out of the war".

Ironically, if we had Wikileaks then, the US would of never entered the war, or at the very least the Europeon Theatre.   Though that probably would of been the "right" thing at the time.  Afterall he did directly lie to the public.



The man needs to be killed. Citizens doesn't have rights to know what are the objectives of their State.

 

Wikileaks will not change anything....It's only one more proof that 80% of what they tell you is lie.



Onibaka said:

The man needs to be killed. Citizens doesn't have rights to know what are the objectives of their State.

 

Wikileaks will not change anything....It's only one more proof that 80% of what they tell you is lie.

Killing him would just be... dumb.

It's like, the worst political play anyone could do.

Even if it stopped the flow of information... (which it wouldn't) people would assume the WORST like way worse then the government is likely engaged in.

Furthermore it'd make the guy a martyr for his cause and if anything probably increase outside hacking attempts to get info.



Kasz216 said:
Onibaka said:

The man needs to be killed. Citizens doesn't have rights to know what are the objectives of their State.

 

Wikileaks will not change anything....It's only one more proof that 80% of what they tell you is lie.

Killing him would just be... dumb.

It's like, the worst political play anyone could do.

Even if it stopped the flow of information... (which it wouldn't) people would assume the WORST like way worse then the government is likely engaged in.

Furthermore it'd make the guy a martyr for his cause and if anything probably increase outside hacking attempts to get info.

I was sarcasttic.

The worst is: There are a LOT people thinking the same way, that he needs to be killed. It's OK for corrupt politicians, but a person to think this....Maybe.....People want to take the blue pill and remain in Matrix.



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US fucked the world over..

 

oh... and Russia invading Canada? LOL!



Onibaka said:
Kasz216 said:
Onibaka said:

The man needs to be killed. Citizens doesn't have rights to know what are the objectives of their State.

 

Wikileaks will not change anything....It's only one more proof that 80% of what they tell you is lie.

Killing him would just be... dumb.

It's like, the worst political play anyone could do.

Even if it stopped the flow of information... (which it wouldn't) people would assume the WORST like way worse then the government is likely engaged in.

Furthermore it'd make the guy a martyr for his cause and if anything probably increase outside hacking attempts to get info.

I was sarcasttic.

The worst is: There are a LOT people thinking the same way, that he needs to be killed. It's OK for corrupt politicians, but a person to think this....Maybe.....People want to take the blue pill and remain in Matrix.

Nah, I think people would be fine with the "good" leaks.  Which there have been some... but for every few good leaks there have been there has been a bunch of worthless things that are basically the equivlent of mundane emails and a few dangerous things like the above mentioned terrorist locations.

That's why people are mad.  (mostly.)   It would be like if a Website said "we have proof your company is corrupt!"   Then they post the proof your company is corrupt, along with all of your personal emails about what you think about your co-workers and a file with your social secruity number, address, phone number, bank account you get paid into and yearly salary.

What the fuck is with posting all that other stuff?

Replace financial and personal problems caused with diplomatic and possible outright deaths through terrorists... and yeah... I can see people being mad enough that in the heat of the moment they'd call for someones death.



Kasz216 said:
Onibaka said:

The man needs to be killed. Citizens doesn't have rights to know what are the objectives of their State.

 

Wikileaks will not change anything....It's only one more proof that 80% of what they tell you is lie.

Killing him would just be... dumb.

It's like, the worst political play anyone could do.

Even if it stopped the flow of information... (which it wouldn't) people would assume the WORST like way worse then the government is likely engaged in.

Furthermore it'd make the guy a martyr for his cause and if anything probably increase outside hacking attempts to get info.

I agree that killing him would be a disaster.  Look, I don't know whether the rape charges are legit or not, but it would seem to give governments a good enough reason to lock him away for a long time.  Julian Assange is an anarchist, that much is true.  A man without law and good sense imo.  I agree with what you've stated about him becoming a martyr.  The outcry against such an act would be huge I'm afraid.



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Umos-Cmos said:
Kasz216 said:
Onibaka said:

The man needs to be killed. Citizens doesn't have rights to know what are the objectives of their State.

 

Wikileaks will not change anything....It's only one more proof that 80% of what they tell you is lie.

Killing him would just be... dumb.

It's like, the worst political play anyone could do.

Even if it stopped the flow of information... (which it wouldn't) people would assume the WORST like way worse then the government is likely engaged in.

Furthermore it'd make the guy a martyr for his cause and if anything probably increase outside hacking attempts to get info.

I agree that killing him would be a disaster.  Look, I don't know whether the rape charges are legit or not, but it would seem to give governments a good enough reason to lock him away for a long time.  Julian Assange is an anarchist, that much is true.  A man without law and good sense imo.  I agree with what you've stated about him becoming a martyr.  The outcry against such an act would be huge I'm afraid.

If it wasn't true, what would be the point of locking him away.  It's not like he's even the most important Wikileaks person, he's just the frontman?

Heck, even if the charges are REAL and somehow they do get a conviction,  which is unlikely since rape conviction rates are like less then 10%, with 2% false reporting, meaning like... over 90% actual rapists get off.

How does that help?  A lot of conspriacy theorists, and probably regular people who aren't fond of America will just assume he was innocent anyway and he'll end up a lesser type of marytr anwyay.

At best, said charges would be to get him to Sweden so he could be deported to the US... to face charges, pretty much EVERBODY agrees he would beat anyway.  Once again, just vindicating him and making him look good.

Like there is no "win" situation for any government as far as the rape charges go.  If it is a government plan... it's one of the most ill conceived ones ever.


These rape charges are nothing but bad for the USA and Sweden.... and hell, if you study what happens to rape victims who take things to trial... it's nothing but bad for the accusers too, as i'm sure they're getting all kinds of death threats and hatemail at the moment.   Amusingly the only one with anything to gain from these charges is the accused himself and possibly justice if he did comit the crime and is convicted.



Kasz216 said:
Onibaka said:
Kasz216 said:
Onibaka said:

The man needs to be killed. Citizens doesn't have rights to know what are the objectives of their State.

 

Wikileaks will not change anything....It's only one more proof that 80% of what they tell you is lie.

Killing him would just be... dumb.

It's like, the worst political play anyone could do.

Even if it stopped the flow of information... (which it wouldn't) people would assume the WORST like way worse then the government is likely engaged in.

Furthermore it'd make the guy a martyr for his cause and if anything probably increase outside hacking attempts to get info.

I was sarcasttic.

The worst is: There are a LOT people thinking the same way, that he needs to be killed. It's OK for corrupt politicians, but a person to think this....Maybe.....People want to take the blue pill and remain in Matrix.

Nah, I think people would be fine with the "good" leaks.  Which there have been some... but for every few good leaks there have been there has been a bunch of worthless things that are basically the equivlent of mundane emails and a few dangerous things like the above mentioned terrorist locations.

That's why people are mad.  (mostly.)   It would be like if a Website said "we have proof your company is corrupt!"   Then they post the proof your company is corrupt, along with all of your personal emails about what you think about your co-workers and a file with your social secruity number, address, phone number, bank account you get paid into and yearly salary.

What the fuck is with posting all that other stuff?

Replace financial and personal problems caused with diplomatic and possible outright deaths through terrorists... and yeah... I can see people being mad enough that in the heat of the moment they'd call for someones death.

Who are the Terrorists?