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They need to motivate these fatties that give a bad picture of the U.S. by showing them the benefits of exercising and the possible diseases they can get if they don't. There's always Wii Fit, though.




              

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highwaystar101 said:
SamuelRSmith said:

I think the biggest two problems with obesity are:

 - The cost to health care systems.
 - The needless driving up of the demand for food, increasing prices, and thus pushing more of the world's poor into starvation.

Obese people, in my view, should not be protected from discrimination. They are killing themselves, and, indirectly others. They are driving up costs everywhere, and are unsustainable. Frankly, they're not all that great to look at, either.

90% of the time, it's a lifestyle choice, like smoking or drinking, and has very similar costs to society. Yet, it's okay to ridicule smokers, and picking on the fat kid is bullying >_>

Bad day workin' at the McD'?


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oldschoolfool said:
vlad321 said:

If you look at the fact that the Corn Syrup came out at arund the 80s and the obesity rates started going up around the 80s there isn't much else you can argue. The shit they use in just about EVERYTHING is that damned corn syrup, it is highly caloric and since it is less sweet than actual sugar they need to put a lot more of it in there.

The corn itself is a very caloric food and it is one of the highest subsidized, if not the most, crop. It is used in everything , adn well, food pyramid, whatever that cow ate you are eating too.


I think a movie called food inc. breifly talks about this. So your saying the agriculture system is all about profit and mass production,rather than the quaility of the food.

It seems I must watch this movie, I'lll check it out next time i look for movies to watch, thanks.

Also yes, the agriculture and food industries are absolutely disgusting in what they put out. The other problem is that humans have not evolved to have so much food, much less this much food with so many chemicals and other shit in them. Food is sadly a business and anything that lets them cut their costs, they will do, and their customers can go to hell.



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SciFiBoy2.0 said:
SamuelRSmith said:

I think the biggest two problems with obesity are:

 - The cost to health care systems.
 - The needless driving up of the demand for food, increasing prices, and thus pushing more of the world's poor into starvation.

Obese people, in my view, should not be protected from discrimination. They are killing themselves, and, indirectly others. They are driving up costs everywhere, and are unsustainable. Frankly, they're not all that great to look at, either.

90% of the time, it's a lifestyle choice, like smoking or drinking, and has very similar costs to society. Yet, it's okay to ridicule smokers, and picking on the fat kid is bullying >_>

oh wow...

I dont even know how poeple post stuff like that...

I almost want to cry tbh after reading that...

To be fair, he he does have a valid point. In many respects obese people (who eat too much) are worse than, say, smokers. Yet we limit and tackle smoking to quite a high degree. We don't put obese people under the same level of scrutiny as smokers, we protect them even.

I'm in favour of taxing certain foods that are linked with obesity, and levying tax on those that aren't, to drive down the cost to the NHS and provide healthier lower cost meals.



SamuelRSmith said:
highwaystar101 said:
SamuelRSmith said:

I think the biggest two problems with obesity are:

 - The cost to health care systems.
 - The needless driving up of the demand for food, increasing prices, and thus pushing more of the world's poor into starvation.

Obese people, in my view, should not be protected from discrimination. They are killing themselves, and, indirectly others. They are driving up costs everywhere, and are unsustainable. Frankly, they're not all that great to look at, either.

90% of the time, it's a lifestyle choice, like smoking or drinking, and has very similar costs to society. Yet, it's okay to ridicule smokers, and picking on the fat kid is bullying >_>

Bad day workin' at the McD'?


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Haha, yeah. Just to let you know, I buy a cup of coffee from McDonald's every morning, and no, I wont go fuck myself :-p



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Yah it's pretty bad here in Canada also. The biggest problem is that because our health care is socialized these "obese" people get a free ride in a sense (our taxes pay for the medical bills). So I completely understand the point of view coming from the OP



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highwaystar101 said:
SciFiBoy2.0 said:
SamuelRSmith said:

I think the biggest two problems with obesity are:

 - The cost to health care systems.
 - The needless driving up of the demand for food, increasing prices, and thus pushing more of the world's poor into starvation.

Obese people, in my view, should not be protected from discrimination. They are killing themselves, and, indirectly others. They are driving up costs everywhere, and are unsustainable. Frankly, they're not all that great to look at, either.

90% of the time, it's a lifestyle choice, like smoking or drinking, and has very similar costs to society. Yet, it's okay to ridicule smokers, and picking on the fat kid is bullying >_>

oh wow...

I dont even know how poeple post stuff like that...

I almost want to cry tbh after reading that...

To be fair, he he does have a valid point. In many respects obese people (who eat too much) are worse than, say, smokers. Yet we limit and tackle smoking to quite a high degree.

I'm in favour of taxing certain foods that are linked with obesity, and levying tax on those that aren't, to drive down the cost to the NHS and provide healthier lower cost meals.

Eh, I don't know if that is necessarily the right approach - in most cases, businesses would probably choose to absorb the tax and keep the price the same - really, all that would be achieving is lower profits with the same prices. You could argue for minimum price legislation, but that messes with the markets too much - just doesn't sit right with me.

I think what the Government should do - far greater education about the issues with obesity - show graphic adverts like they do for smoking and reckless driving, and also show the effect that it has on the world's poorest, explain that its also costing the country billions in health care costs. What's more, push through far stricter legislation on food labelling.

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And, although my delivery perhaps wasn't the greatest in that post, SciFi boy, I do stand by what I said (I've had a bad day - and that causes me to be a bit callous in my tongue/fingers). The last bit about bullying the fat kid was tongue-in-cheek, but it's also right. A while back, twesterm made a thread literally going on about how much he hated smokers, how they smelt, etc.... if somebody was to do a post in similar vein about obesity - well, they'd probably receive a ban, or, at the very least a warning. I don't think it's fair.



You can't start with putting taxes on the food. It's different from taxing tobacco or alcohol, as you need food to live, and the bad food tends to be the cheapest, so taxing the bad food would impose a disproportionate burden (though would provide good revenue to offset the health care costs associated with people eating the bad food)

 

Primarily we should be looking at FDA action to work on resolving this issue. The FDA was made for stuff just like this, but in a different world where we really didn't have to worry about overly-chemical foods or the average person eating too much.



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I'm with SciFiBoy on this one. That post of yours was kind of rough, Sam.

Honestly, if you're comparing being bothered by the smell of smoke (which can actually kill you) to being bothered by the way fat people look, then... well there's not much I can say to you.

By the way, I do believe that bullying is completely atrocious and it should be reprimanded.

This should help you see the diference between one and the other:

An overweght kid gets bullyed in school and commits suicide. Pretty normal occurrence.

Can you honestly say you can see that situation happening with a smoking teenager (or an adult, for that matter)?

We treat the situations differently because they are of a different nature.



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I don't like obese people. I think we should put them all on an island so they can eat each other but the island would probably sink first.

 

Just Kidding.

 

I honestly don't know how people don't get the message. Everyone one you see on TV and in movies is usually thin and that usually drives social trends. I'm all for showing PSA's that show the danger of obesity.



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