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senortaco on 21 July 2010

...It's become apparent that both MS & Sony have taken the Ninty route of not losing on hardware, or losing next to nothing.

I believe that these add-on's are to keep their current base instead of add to it. Price & unique quality matter, and RIGHT NOW I don't see it in either device.

The hope that both companies have is that they can sell beyond the usual early adopters of tech, but I just don't see it.



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kitler53 on 21 July 2010
selnor said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
...

Motion controllers sell to families. Thats the catch point. Families and friends all play together on Wii. Thats it's stronger most fun point. Social same screen gaming.

You cannot use that logic to simplify Move's extras as you call it. The mainstream mum, grans and dads all laugh together playing motion games. 

For a PS3 Move to succeed it needs to find a low point of entry for family gaming. Otherwise it will end up with sales of 32x. It will be just the addon that happened. 

And the difference is M$ can change the Kinect bundled game at anytime. Because it's a standalone game. Wiisports isn't.

oh riiight, i forgot that motion gaming only sells to families.  okay, well since most families are larger than 2 people than the true price of kinect is...

2xkinect bundles at $150 2x360 consoles at $150 = $600 and 4 player family happiness!! god forbid your family is bigger than 4 people.

 

tell you what though, i'm buying the move bundle at $100 and when i get it i'll have 3 games; sports champions, little big planet, and heavy rain.  i guess i'm just the exception that proves your stupid rule though right?

Noone has said that Kinect is only 2 players. 

We havent had confirmation from M$ on this at all. All we know is the games at E3 were 2 players, and Dance Central was upto 3 players ( and the adverts for DC confirm 3 players ).

And yes Hardcore motion controller gamers are in the minority. Look at the sales of Conduit, or Red Steel, or any mature/hard to grasp game on Wii. The sales are dismal in comparison to core games on PS3 let alone 360. 

Even the Mario/Mario Kart franchise has been streamlined and dumbed down compared to the challenge you used to get in my good old Ninty days. 

If it was the hardcore market really buying the wii, they would have been buying the Gamecube last gen. As for hardcore games the Gamecube was both more challenging and better for the core gamer.  

 

Technical Details
Rating

3 (PEGI)
Minimum Requirements

Sensor
Colour and depth-sensing lenses
Voice microphone array
Tilt motor for sensor adjustment
Fully compatible with existing Xbox 360 consoles

Field of View
Horizontal field of view: 57 degrees
Vertical field of view: 43 degrees
Physical tilt range: ± 27 degrees
Depth sensor range: 1.2m - 3.5m

Data Streams
320x240 16-bit depth @ 30 frames/sec
640x480 32-bit colour@ 30 frames/sec
16-bit audio @ 16 kHz

Skeletal Tracking System
Tracks up to 6 people, including 2 active players
Tracks 20 joints per active player
Ability to map active players to LIVE Avatars

Audio System
LIVE party chat and in-game voice chat (requires Xbox LIVE Gold Membership)
Echo cancellation system enhances voice input
Speech recognition in multiple
This information is based on specifications supplied by manufacturers and should be used for guidance only.

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/10296372/Project-Natal/Product.html



M.U.G.E.N on 21 July 2010
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
...

Motion controllers sell to families. Thats the catch point. Families and friends all play together on Wii. Thats it's stronger most fun point. Social same screen gaming.

You cannot use that logic to simplify Move's extras as you call it. The mainstream mum, grans and dads all laugh together playing motion games. 

For a PS3 Move to succeed it needs to find a low point of entry for family gaming. Otherwise it will end up with sales of 32x. It will be just the addon that happened. 

And the difference is M$ can change the Kinect bundled game at anytime. Because it's a standalone game. Wiisports isn't.

oh riiight, i forgot that motion gaming only sells to families.  okay, well since most families are larger than 2 people than the true price of kinect is...

2xkinect bundles at $150 2x360 consoles at $150 = $600 and 4 player family happiness!! god forbid your family is bigger than 4 people.

 

tell you what though, i'm buying the move bundle at $100 and when i get it i'll have 3 games; sports champions, little big planet, and heavy rain.  i guess i'm just the exception that proves your stupid rule though right?

Noone has said that Kinect is only 2 players. 

We havent had confirmation from M$ on this at all. All we know is the games at E3 were 2 players, and Dance Central was upto 3 players ( and the adverts for DC confirm 3 players ).

And yes Hardcore motion controller gamers are in the minority. Look at the sales of Conduit, or Red Steel, or any mature/hard to grasp game on Wii. The sales are dismal in comparison to core games on PS3 let alone 360. 

Even the Mario/Mario Kart franchise has been streamlined and dumbed down compared to the challenge you used to get in my good old Ninty days. 

If it was the hardcore market really buying the wii, they would have been buying the Gamecube last gen. As for hardcore games the Gamecube was both more challenging and better for the core gamer.  

 

Technical Details  
Rating

3 (PEGI)
Minimum Requirements

Sensor
Colour and depth-sensing lenses
Voice microphone array
Tilt motor for sensor adjustment
Fully compatible with existing Xbox 360 consoles

Field of View
Horizontal field of view: 57 degrees
Vertical field of view: 43 degrees
Physical tilt range: ± 27 degrees
Depth sensor range: 1.2m - 3.5m

Data Streams
320x240 16-bit depth @ 30 frames/sec
640x480 32-bit colour@ 30 frames/sec
16-bit audio @ 16 kHz

Skeletal Tracking System
Tracks up to 6 people, including 2 active players
Tracks 20 joints per active player
Ability to map active players to LIVE Avatars

Audio System
LIVE party chat and in-game voice chat (requires Xbox LIVE Gold Membership)
Echo cancellation system enhances voice input
Speech recognition in multiple
This information is based on specifications supplied by manufacturers and should be used for guidance only.

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/10296372/Project-Natal/Product.html

you beat me to it..it only 'tracks' two active players...

anywho nice Spin selnor ;)

and btw isn't Kinect games more expensive than those of move as well?



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kitler53 on 21 July 2010
M.U.G.E.N said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
...

Motion controllers sell to families. Thats the catch point. Families and friends all play together on Wii. Thats it's stronger most fun point. Social same screen gaming.

You cannot use that logic to simplify Move's extras as you call it. The mainstream mum, grans and dads all laugh together playing motion games. 

For a PS3 Move to succeed it needs to find a low point of entry for family gaming. Otherwise it will end up with sales of 32x. It will be just the addon that happened. 

And the difference is M$ can change the Kinect bundled game at anytime. Because it's a standalone game. Wiisports isn't.

oh riiight, i forgot that motion gaming only sells to families.  okay, well since most families are larger than 2 people than the true price of kinect is...

2xkinect bundles at $150 2x360 consoles at $150 = $600 and 4 player family happiness!! god forbid your family is bigger than 4 people.

 

tell you what though, i'm buying the move bundle at $100 and when i get it i'll have 3 games; sports champions, little big planet, and heavy rain.  i guess i'm just the exception that proves your stupid rule though right?

Noone has said that Kinect is only 2 players. 

We havent had confirmation from M$ on this at all. All we know is the games at E3 were 2 players, and Dance Central was upto 3 players ( and the adverts for DC confirm 3 players ).

And yes Hardcore motion controller gamers are in the minority. Look at the sales of Conduit, or Red Steel, or any mature/hard to grasp game on Wii. The sales are dismal in comparison to core games on PS3 let alone 360. 

Even the Mario/Mario Kart franchise has been streamlined and dumbed down compared to the challenge you used to get in my good old Ninty days. 

If it was the hardcore market really buying the wii, they would have been buying the Gamecube last gen. As for hardcore games the Gamecube was both more challenging and better for the core gamer.  

 

Technical Details  
Rating

3 (PEGI)
Minimum Requirements

Sensor
Colour and depth-sensing lenses
Voice microphone array
Tilt motor for sensor adjustment
Fully compatible with existing Xbox 360 consoles

Field of View
Horizontal field of view: 57 degrees
Vertical field of view: 43 degrees
Physical tilt range: ± 27 degrees
Depth sensor range: 1.2m - 3.5m

Data Streams
320x240 16-bit depth @ 30 frames/sec
640x480 32-bit colour@ 30 frames/sec
16-bit audio @ 16 kHz

Skeletal Tracking System
Tracks up to 6 people, including 2 active players
Tracks 20 joints per active player
Ability to map active players to LIVE Avatars

Audio System
LIVE party chat and in-game voice chat (requires Xbox LIVE Gold Membership)
Echo cancellation system enhances voice input
Speech recognition in multiple
This information is based on specifications supplied by manufacturers and should be used for guidance only.

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/10296372/Project-Natal/Product.html

you beat me to it..it only 'tracks' two active players...

anywho nice Spin selnor ;)

and btw isn't Kinect games more expensive than those of move as well?

$40 for move exclusive games and $50 for kinect exclusive games seems to be the current pricing scheme.  non-exlusives like lbp2 and killzone3 are still the normal $60.



M.U.G.E.N on 21 July 2010

50 isn't bad..still more expensive tho

and btw Selnor, what happened to your ever so trusted sources at GAME? :P you kept talking about how they have told you how the price won't be more than 100 if I remember correctly.. lol



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selnor on 21 July 2010
M.U.G.E.N said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
...

Motion controllers sell to families. Thats the catch point. Families and friends all play together on Wii. Thats it's stronger most fun point. Social same screen gaming.

You cannot use that logic to simplify Move's extras as you call it. The mainstream mum, grans and dads all laugh together playing motion games. 

For a PS3 Move to succeed it needs to find a low point of entry for family gaming. Otherwise it will end up with sales of 32x. It will be just the addon that happened. 

And the difference is M$ can change the Kinect bundled game at anytime. Because it's a standalone game. Wiisports isn't.

oh riiight, i forgot that motion gaming only sells to families.  okay, well since most families are larger than 2 people than the true price of kinect is...

2xkinect bundles at $150 2x360 consoles at $150 = $600 and 4 player family happiness!! god forbid your family is bigger than 4 people.

 

tell you what though, i'm buying the move bundle at $100 and when i get it i'll have 3 games; sports champions, little big planet, and heavy rain.  i guess i'm just the exception that proves your stupid rule though right?

Noone has said that Kinect is only 2 players. 

We havent had confirmation from M$ on this at all. All we know is the games at E3 were 2 players, and Dance Central was upto 3 players ( and the adverts for DC confirm 3 players ).

And yes Hardcore motion controller gamers are in the minority. Look at the sales of Conduit, or Red Steel, or any mature/hard to grasp game on Wii. The sales are dismal in comparison to core games on PS3 let alone 360. 

Even the Mario/Mario Kart franchise has been streamlined and dumbed down compared to the challenge you used to get in my good old Ninty days. 

If it was the hardcore market really buying the wii, they would have been buying the Gamecube last gen. As for hardcore games the Gamecube was both more challenging and better for the core gamer.  

 

Technical Details  
Rating

3 (PEGI)
Minimum Requirements

Sensor
Colour and depth-sensing lenses
Voice microphone array
Tilt motor for sensor adjustment
Fully compatible with existing Xbox 360 consoles

Field of View
Horizontal field of view: 57 degrees
Vertical field of view: 43 degrees
Physical tilt range: ± 27 degrees
Depth sensor range: 1.2m - 3.5m

Data Streams
320x240 16-bit depth @ 30 frames/sec
640x480 32-bit colour@ 30 frames/sec
16-bit audio @ 16 kHz

Skeletal Tracking System
Tracks up to 6 people, including 2 active players
Tracks 20 joints per active player
Ability to map active players to LIVE Avatars

Audio System
LIVE party chat and in-game voice chat (requires Xbox LIVE Gold Membership)
Echo cancellation system enhances voice input
Speech recognition in multiple
This information is based on specifications supplied by manufacturers and should be used for guidance only.

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/10296372/Project-Natal/Product.html

you beat me to it..it only 'tracks' two active players...

anywho nice Spin selnor ;)

and btw isn't Kinect games more expensive than those of move as well?

Not in the UK. Move titles are £39.99. So are all M$ 360 games. Except the odd £44.99.

And thanks for the info. Maybe Dance Central uses a less active pick up for background dancers or something.

The video below shows 2 players for all games except Dance Central.



M.U.G.E.N on 21 July 2010
selnor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
...

Motion controllers sell to families. Thats the catch point. Families and friends all play together on Wii. Thats it's stronger most fun point. Social same screen gaming.

You cannot use that logic to simplify Move's extras as you call it. The mainstream mum, grans and dads all laugh together playing motion games. 

For a PS3 Move to succeed it needs to find a low point of entry for family gaming. Otherwise it will end up with sales of 32x. It will be just the addon that happened. 

And the difference is M$ can change the Kinect bundled game at anytime. Because it's a standalone game. Wiisports isn't.

oh riiight, i forgot that motion gaming only sells to families.  okay, well since most families are larger than 2 people than the true price of kinect is...

2xkinect bundles at $150 2x360 consoles at $150 = $600 and 4 player family happiness!! god forbid your family is bigger than 4 people.

 

tell you what though, i'm buying the move bundle at $100 and when i get it i'll have 3 games; sports champions, little big planet, and heavy rain.  i guess i'm just the exception that proves your stupid rule though right?

Noone has said that Kinect is only 2 players. 

We havent had confirmation from M$ on this at all. All we know is the games at E3 were 2 players, and Dance Central was upto 3 players ( and the adverts for DC confirm 3 players ).

And yes Hardcore motion controller gamers are in the minority. Look at the sales of Conduit, or Red Steel, or any mature/hard to grasp game on Wii. The sales are dismal in comparison to core games on PS3 let alone 360. 

Even the Mario/Mario Kart franchise has been streamlined and dumbed down compared to the challenge you used to get in my good old Ninty days. 

If it was the hardcore market really buying the wii, they would have been buying the Gamecube last gen. As for hardcore games the Gamecube was both more challenging and better for the core gamer.  

 

Technical Details  
Rating

3 (PEGI)
Minimum Requirements

Sensor
Colour and depth-sensing lenses
Voice microphone array
Tilt motor for sensor adjustment
Fully compatible with existing Xbox 360 consoles

Field of View
Horizontal field of view: 57 degrees
Vertical field of view: 43 degrees
Physical tilt range: ± 27 degrees
Depth sensor range: 1.2m - 3.5m

Data Streams
320x240 16-bit depth @ 30 frames/sec
640x480 32-bit colour@ 30 frames/sec
16-bit audio @ 16 kHz

Skeletal Tracking System
Tracks up to 6 people, including 2 active players
Tracks 20 joints per active player
Ability to map active players to LIVE Avatars

Audio System
LIVE party chat and in-game voice chat (requires Xbox LIVE Gold Membership)
Echo cancellation system enhances voice input
Speech recognition in multiple
This information is based on specifications supplied by manufacturers and should be used for guidance only.

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/10296372/Project-Natal/Product.html

you beat me to it..it only 'tracks' two active players...

anywho nice Spin selnor ;)

and btw isn't Kinect games more expensive than those of move as well?

Not in the UK. Move titles are £39.99. So are all M$ 360 games. Except the odd £44.99.

And thanks for the info. Maybe Dance Central uses a less active pick up for background dancers or something.

The video below shows 2 players for all games except Dance Central.


you can't be serious in using those vids as proof now are you?

and in the case of prices then US is getting screwed then lol we are even



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selnor on 21 July 2010
M.U.G.E.N said:

50 isn't bad..still more expensive tho

and btw Selnor, what happened to your ever so trusted sources at GAME? :P you kept talking about how they have told you how the price won't be more than 100 if I remember correctly.. lol


Yep. Ive text him. My theory is the goddamn taxes here in UK. Our new government is getting rid of our national debt faster rather than slower. Theres no other logical expanation for UK pricing to be both more expensive than the rest of EU and US.



selnor on 21 July 2010
M.U.G.E.N said:
selnor said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
kitler53 said:
selnor said:
...

Motion controllers sell to families. Thats the catch point. Families and friends all play together on Wii. Thats it's stronger most fun point. Social same screen gaming.

You cannot use that logic to simplify Move's extras as you call it. The mainstream mum, grans and dads all laugh together playing motion games. 

For a PS3 Move to succeed it needs to find a low point of entry for family gaming. Otherwise it will end up with sales of 32x. It will be just the addon that happened. 

And the difference is M$ can change the Kinect bundled game at anytime. Because it's a standalone game. Wiisports isn't.

oh riiight, i forgot that motion gaming only sells to families.  okay, well since most families are larger than 2 people than the true price of kinect is...

2xkinect bundles at $150 2x360 consoles at $150 = $600 and 4 player family happiness!! god forbid your family is bigger than 4 people.

 

tell you what though, i'm buying the move bundle at $100 and when i get it i'll have 3 games; sports champions, little big planet, and heavy rain.  i guess i'm just the exception that proves your stupid rule though right?

Noone has said that Kinect is only 2 players. 

We havent had confirmation from M$ on this at all. All we know is the games at E3 were 2 players, and Dance Central was upto 3 players ( and the adverts for DC confirm 3 players ).

And yes Hardcore motion controller gamers are in the minority. Look at the sales of Conduit, or Red Steel, or any mature/hard to grasp game on Wii. The sales are dismal in comparison to core games on PS3 let alone 360. 

Even the Mario/Mario Kart franchise has been streamlined and dumbed down compared to the challenge you used to get in my good old Ninty days. 

If it was the hardcore market really buying the wii, they would have been buying the Gamecube last gen. As for hardcore games the Gamecube was both more challenging and better for the core gamer.  

 

Technical Details  
Rating

3 (PEGI)
Minimum Requirements

Sensor
Colour and depth-sensing lenses
Voice microphone array
Tilt motor for sensor adjustment
Fully compatible with existing Xbox 360 consoles

Field of View
Horizontal field of view: 57 degrees
Vertical field of view: 43 degrees
Physical tilt range: ± 27 degrees
Depth sensor range: 1.2m - 3.5m

Data Streams
320x240 16-bit depth @ 30 frames/sec
640x480 32-bit colour@ 30 frames/sec
16-bit audio @ 16 kHz

Skeletal Tracking System
Tracks up to 6 people, including 2 active players
Tracks 20 joints per active player
Ability to map active players to LIVE Avatars

Audio System
LIVE party chat and in-game voice chat (requires Xbox LIVE Gold Membership)
Echo cancellation system enhances voice input
Speech recognition in multiple
This information is based on specifications supplied by manufacturers and should be used for guidance only.

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/10296372/Project-Natal/Product.html

you beat me to it..it only 'tracks' two active players...

anywho nice Spin selnor ;)

and btw isn't Kinect games more expensive than those of move as well?

Not in the UK. Move titles are £39.99. So are all M$ 360 games. Except the odd £44.99.

And thanks for the info. Maybe Dance Central uses a less active pick up for background dancers or something.

The video below shows 2 players for all games except Dance Central.


you can't be serious in using those vids as proof now are you?

and in the case of prices then US is getting screwed then lol we are even

US is a bargain. It's comaparitively alot more cheaper than Move over UK. And why isnt an official ad proof?

All the games show 2 players only. It's entirely possible that Dance Central makes use of the 6 player pickup in a different way. Background dancers may have less input etc. But it was 3 player at E3 to. So make of it what you will.

Otherwise why else would Kinect be able to track 6 players? What else would the use be?



Scoobes on 21 July 2010
selnor said:
RolStoppable said:

selnor, excuse me if I am not familiar with the way of life in the UK, but is it normal that people start drinking in the early afternoon on a Wednesday?


I dont know. I suggest you stop though where you live, because t be honest your rather scary drunk. 

Ooooo... someone tell me more :P




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