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joeorc on 08 July 2010
DirtyP2002 said:
joeorc said:
DirtyP2002 said:
FonzGemini said:

Next gen of consoles MS will move on from the 360 and wont look back. Sony on the other hand will continue to support the PS3 well into the PS4's life cycle. That is why PS3 will pass 360 in lifetime sales.



source?

Sony will stop supporting the PS3 immediately after the release of the PS4.

Source: Me.

 

 

if that was the Case they would have stopped support on the PS1 after the PS2 or the PS2 after the PS3..

BUT..BUT..Sony is not the market Leader?

So what if their not...

when the PS4 releases the fact that the PS3 has over 35 million PS3's in the market ,Mean's Sony will stop the support on the PS3 when even when the New PS4 get's released?

riight.,.your thinking of another company that has showed that capability and it sure is not Sony.


I was joking actually, because nobody knows what will happen after a new gen starts like he stated. He assumed things without any kind of source. So did I.

the point is until like you said we do not know what their going to do, but if anything is to go by Sony has shown very much to support their previous generation system's even when their new system drop's.

the PS3 does so much already as is. the REQUIREMENT'S for game's for the PS4 esp. when were talking about the PSN most likely would not matter because that same game most likely would work on the PS3 also! Like many PSN mini's work both on the PSP and the PS3. I see the same thing happening with the PS3/PS4 ESP. in PSN game's.



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

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DirtyP2002 on 08 July 2010
joeorc said:
DirtyP2002 said:
joeorc said:
DirtyP2002 said:
FonzGemini said:

Next gen of consoles MS will move on from the 360 and wont look back. Sony on the other hand will continue to support the PS3 well into the PS4's life cycle. That is why PS3 will pass 360 in lifetime sales.



source?

Sony will stop supporting the PS3 immediately after the release of the PS4.

Source: Me.

 

 

if that was the Case they would have stopped support on the PS1 after the PS2 or the PS2 after the PS3..

BUT..BUT..Sony is not the market Leader?

So what if their not...

when the PS4 releases the fact that the PS3 has over 35 million PS3's in the market ,Mean's Sony will stop the support on the PS3 when even when the New PS4 get's released?

riight.,.your thinking of another company that has showed that capability and it sure is not Sony.


I was joking actually, because nobody knows what will happen after a new gen starts like he stated. He assumed things without any kind of source. So did I.

the point is until like you said we do not know what their going to do, but if anything is to go by Sony has shown very much to support their previous generation system's even when their new system drop's.

the PS3 does so much already as is. the REQUIREMENT'S for game's for the PS4 esp. when were talking about the PSN most likely would not matter because that same game most likely would work on the PS3 also! Like many PSN mini's work both on the PSP and the PS3. I see the same thing happening with the PS3/PS4 ESP. in PSN game's.


On the other hand, the XBLA games / indygames will probably work on the Xbox 3 as well. Xbox 360 is backward compatible for the most games and they had the Xbox Live servers running for years before they turned them off.

I know Sony has a history of  supporting the older consoles, but I don't see why MS can't do the same. Nvidia was the main problem for the original Xbox, so they HAD to stop producing it. This is different this gen.

As I said before, we don't know so it is pointless to say A or B will happen.



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joeorc on 08 July 2010
DirtyP2002 said:
joeorc said:
DirtyP2002 said:
joeorc said:
DirtyP2002 said:
FonzGemini said:

Next gen of consoles MS will move on from the 360 and wont look back. Sony on the other hand will continue to support the PS3 well into the PS4's life cycle. That is why PS3 will pass 360 in lifetime sales.



source?

Sony will stop supporting the PS3 immediately after the release of the PS4.

Source: Me.

 

 

if that was the Case they would have stopped support on the PS1 after the PS2 or the PS2 after the PS3..

BUT..BUT..Sony is not the market Leader?

So what if their not...

when the PS4 releases the fact that the PS3 has over 35 million PS3's in the market ,Mean's Sony will stop the support on the PS3 when even when the New PS4 get's released?

riight.,.your thinking of another company that has showed that capability and it sure is not Sony.


I was joking actually, because nobody knows what will happen after a new gen starts like he stated. He assumed things without any kind of source. So did I.

the point is until like you said we do not know what their going to do, but if anything is to go by Sony has shown very much to support their previous generation system's even when their new system drop's.

the PS3 does so much already as is. the REQUIREMENT'S for game's for the PS4 esp. when were talking about the PSN most likely would not matter because that same game most likely would work on the PS3 also! Like many PSN mini's work both on the PSP and the PS3. I see the same thing happening with the PS3/PS4 ESP. in PSN game's.


On the other hand, the XBLA games / indygames will probably work on the Xbox 3 as well. Xbox 360 is backward compatible for the most games and they had the Xbox Live servers running for years before they turned them off.

I know Sony has a history of  supporting the older consoles, but I don't see why MS can't do the same. Nvidia was the main problem for the original Xbox, so they HAD to stop producing it. This is different this gen.

As I said before, we don't know so it is pointless to say A or B will happen.

oh i have no doubt that Ms could also with the XBOX360 doing so well i do not see why not. but I do think the XBOX fanbase may not care too much for the xbox360 if the next Xbox what ever it may be names has backward Capability as which i expect it to do so



I AM BOLO

100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...

ps:

Proud psOne/2/3/p owner.  I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.

zealwilx on 08 July 2010


zealwilx on 08 July 2010

microsoft knows fully well that were it not for the rough and the delayed launch of the ps3, the 360 wouldnt be where it is in sales numbers today. that said, the chances of the ps3 overtaking the 360 this Gen is slim mainly due to the fact that the 360 always has a $100 cheaper model. once the PS3 drops to $199, that will be the death knell for 360, as majority of the sales of the 360 comes from the cheaper model as rrod victims normally purchase the cheaper arcade models just incase of another rrod occuring.

as for kinect and move, i thinks both will have minute effect on sales numbers as the casual market is already saturated with the wii.




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A203D on 08 July 2010
zealwilx said:

microsoft knows fully well that were it not for the rough and the delayed launch of the ps3, the 360 wouldnt be where it is in sales numbers today. that said, the chances of the ps3 overtaking the 360 this Gen is slim mainly due to the fact that the 360 always has a $100 cheaper model. once the PS3 drops to $199, that will be the death knell for 360, as majority of the sales of the 360 comes from the cheaper model as rrod victims normally purchase the cheaper arcade models just incase of another rrod occuring.

as for kinect and move, i thinks both will have minute effect on sales numbers as the casual market is already saturated with the wii.

I agree to an expent, its like they've been playing a zero sum game for the last few years. but imo this trend will end during next year. because the PS3 has at least 6 - 8 years left, where as i see the 360 as less than half that time on the market.

well i suppose we'll find out this Fall what it is that the consumer wants...



Solid_Snake4RD on 08 July 2010
Killiana1a said:
joeorc said:
Killiana1a said:
joeorc said:
jarrod said:
joeorc said:
Killiana1a said:

As I stated earlier in this thread, Sony took a $4.7 billion loss from when the PS3 was released until it started becoming profitable, which was around 2009.

That $4.7 billion was a real cost incurred by Sony and until they manage to recoup that $4.7 billion and then some from Walkman sales, television sales, or whatever, then the PS3 cannot be considered a worthwile, profitable venture that beckons a PS4.

All of that profit the PS3 is making now is what Accounting 101 calls a "credit" and that $4.7 billion loss is what Accounting 101 calls a "debit." Sony has a lot of credits to make from the PS3 in order to remove the parentheses from the red (4.7) billion.

I am just wondering what kind of uninformed investor invests in companies such as Sony who have shown with the PS3, that they are willing to take a $4.7 billion loss and still have another $5 billion loss via the PS4 in the next 5 years?

Now, I am assuming: 1. There will be a PS4 and 2. Sony and Kaz Hirai will try to 1up Nintendo and Microsoft by putting out another overpriced vanity machine (PS4) at a price all except the most fervent of Sony supporters will not buy.

I don't wish death on Sony as I have been a consumer of their product in my younger years, I just wish they would own up to their past mistakes, chop some heads off in their company, and get back to the basics by prioritizing what products are making a profit, continue to make those profitable products, and shut down the products and company divisions who are running at a loss, while being subsidized by the more profitable product divisions.

YET MORE DIATRIBE: LOL....

Playstation does not just = the PS3

yes let's just to choose to ignore the PSP profit's, the PS2 profit's and software from those 2 other platform's including the PS3 software profit's and PSN digital sales and the profit's from Home, and now PSN plus.....

PSP,PS2,PSN,PSN(PLUS),Home,psp software, PS2 software,ps3 software

is greater than just the

"PS3"

Actually, those were all considered and accounted for, he's talking SCE's overall loss.  In a very real sense just the "PS3" was greater than "PSP,PS2,PSN,PSN(PLUS),Home,psp software, PS2 software,ps3 software" in terms of loss/profit.

We'll never know the real scale of PS3's massive hardware losses because as you pointed out, those profitable sectors were helping pull up the division...

no it's not!

read what he stated! he's not talking about their entire profit's, he was just talking about the PS2's peak sales year's for the PAST 5 year's

" Sony has lost more money selling PlayStation 3s than it made selling PlayStation 2s during the entire five years of its peak."

the profit's that The PS3 ate into was the profit's for the PS2 for the last 5 year's when he made that statement  5 year's is not the entire profit's for the PS2 all together:

Hell he's not even including the PS1 or the PSP.

he's trying to point out just one aspect of the situation to say it = the entire profit loss of the entire playstation platform which is not true at all.

One product in their catalog does not = the entire catalog's sale's/profit's if there is more than just one product

the PS1's which had 10 year's worth of sales, the PSP now over 6 year

just because you want to concentrate on just one product does not mean you just ignore the other's in the catalog!

and why would they not help, their still playstation product's!

The PS3 is now profitable on it's own, now Sony has 3 Playstation Hardware Product's on the market that sell @ a profit!

How words get convoluted for a variety of reasons.

The numbers I have seen and which have been posted here ad nauseam include all the profits from PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3. Fact is, and Sony consumers may not like to hear it,the PS3 has been an unprofitable venture from a company who could afford to take the loss. Any better run company or smaller company would have never taken on a project as ambitious as the PS3.

My gist is what happened 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. and 10 years ago factors into the discussion when we are talking dollars and cents, which companies base business decisions off of. You may see reports saying "Sony PS3 is finally making a Profit" or some sort, but that is always in comparison to the costs and profits incurred earlier to make it a profitable machine now.

Like it or not, by the time the PS4 rolls around, if Sony has the money to take another loss, the sheer amount of dollars and mantime put into creating the PS3 will be remembered by the execs at Sony and they will make their decision accordingly.

where is the number's?

it's been the same post about Sony loosing all the profit's of the ps1, ps2, psp?

where is the proof.

I have not seen it....

hell the one who stated that is just guessing unless he's seen all the data from their finacial's.

which we can guess ourselves is a BIG FAT NO.

so the constant Diatribe is getting a little silly on this site...

Your constant defending of Sony as if you are working for them or have a major investment stake is getting old and silly. Seriously though, we will see come the next generation whenever that occurs. All this debate is just speculation and since you are not posting their financials, then you do not have an "in" with them or you may and the picture may be just as bad as some of us who have looked at a few of their financials know it is.

he wasn't defensing them,he was just pointing out the mistakes that you were trying to make him seem wrong

actually you urself are the one who should workd for someone trying to negating SONY's work and should grow up

you are no less so you shouldn't pick on others



Solid_Snake4RD on 08 July 2010
DirtyP2002 said:
FonzGemini said:

Next gen of consoles MS will move on from the 360 and wont look back. Sony on the other hand will continue to support the PS3 well into the PS4's life cycle. That is why PS3 will pass 360 in lifetime sales.



source?

Sony will stop supporting the PS3 immediately after the release of the PS4.

Source: Me.

 

 

you want source,the source is the people following patterns and treand of the company

you thinking that they will stop supporting PS4 and you being the source is what needs correction



Solid_Snake4RD on 08 July 2010
DirtyP2002 said:
joeorc said:
DirtyP2002 said:
FonzGemini said:

Next gen of consoles MS will move on from the 360 and wont look back. Sony on the other hand will continue to support the PS3 well into the PS4's life cycle. That is why PS3 will pass 360 in lifetime sales.



source?

Sony will stop supporting the PS3 immediately after the release of the PS4.

Source: Me.

 

 

if that was the Case they would have stopped support on the PS1 after the PS2 or the PS2 after the PS3..

BUT..BUT..Sony is not the market Leader?

So what if their not...

when the PS4 releases the fact that the PS3 has over 35 million PS3's in the market ,Mean's Sony will stop the support on the PS3 when even when the New PS4 get's released?

riight.,.your thinking of another company that has showed that capability and it sure is not Sony.


I was joking actually, because nobody knows what will happen after a new gen starts like he stated.

nobody knows what will happen like the world could end tommorow

but we are discussing here with treands and statistics in min

He assumed things without any kind of source. So did I.

you can't have source for anything

we an just debate on things of the statistics and trends we see

 

if you are just gonna say anything can happen anytime and we don't know till we have sources then why even comment and discuss as you are gonna believe it





Solid_Snake4RD on 08 July 2010
DirtyP2002 said:
joeorc said:
DirtyP2002 said:
joeorc said:
DirtyP2002 said:
FonzGemini said:

Next gen of consoles MS will move on from the 360 and wont look back. Sony on the other hand will continue to support the PS3 well into the PS4's life cycle. That is why PS3 will pass 360 in lifetime sales.



source?

Sony will stop supporting the PS3 immediately after the release of the PS4.

Source: Me.

 

 

if that was the Case they would have stopped support on the PS1 after the PS2 or the PS2 after the PS3..

BUT..BUT..Sony is not the market Leader?

So what if their not...

when the PS4 releases the fact that the PS3 has over 35 million PS3's in the market ,Mean's Sony will stop the support on the PS3 when even when the New PS4 get's released?

riight.,.your thinking of another company that has showed that capability and it sure is not Sony.


I was joking actually, because nobody knows what will happen after a new gen starts like he stated. He assumed things without any kind of source. So did I.

the point is until like you said we do not know what their going to do, but if anything is to go by Sony has shown very much to support their previous generation system's even when their new system drop's.

the PS3 does so much already as is. the REQUIREMENT'S for game's for the PS4 esp. when were talking about the PSN most likely would not matter because that same game most likely would work on the PS3 also! Like many PSN mini's work both on the PSP and the PS3. I see the same thing happening with the PS3/PS4 ESP. in PSN game's.

I know Sony has a history of  supporting the older consoles, but I don't see why MS can't do the same. Nvidia was the main problem for the original Xbox, so they HAD to stop producing it. This is different this gen.


yes this is a gen but falling sales could be a reason to stop supporting

and low sales like now at low price can tell us how sales in future will perform

and resources to push a new console may also take them off supporting 360.as MS already struggling with their console at a low price with other competitor at high price,what will they do with the competitor at low price

and MS said previously,they didn't make an XBOX handheld cause then they couldn't support the 360 in the same way.so they might do the same with 720