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Forums - Sales Discussion - Pacher Explains Why He Predicts WiiHD Believes Will Will Lose MarketShare

kaneada on 07 June 2010
superchunk said:

So, he admits his view isn't the same as Nintendo's and Nintendo is really good at running its business. So, wouldn't that imply that if they don't think its the right time for a new console then he is simply wrong?


If the question you were asking was completely objective, then yes you would be right.



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mike_intellivision on 07 June 2010

Pachter is like all those people who think that since they have HD TV sets that the Wii should be HD.

He (and they) completely ignore the fact that half of households do not have HD TV sets in the US -- even though there has been a considerable increase in the nearly four years since the PS3 and Wii (and nearly five years since the Xbox 360) were released.

In other words, Microsoft and Sony released consoles that were ahead of what most people could handle and lost money. Nintendo went for what was there then and profited. 

Yet according to this analyst, Nintendo is not thinking logically. He does not grasp the concept that Nintendo has been successful for the last few years by defining the market, rather than following convention. It has twice won via disruption (DS, Wii) and seeks to do it again (3DS). 

Based upon this trend, my guess is that Nintendo will come up with something completely different for its next home console. 

Mike from Morgantown

(Pachter also completely misses that introducing a Wii HD, without figuring out how to transfer locked game saves and DLC would completely peeve existing system owners -- making them much more likely to buy something else.)



      


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Moren on 07 June 2010

they'll indeed lose marketshare, but they would anyway.

I really wanna see Patcher in charge of nintendo



lapsed_gamer on 07 June 2010
Garnett said:
Viper1 said:
Garnett said:
TheSource said:

When I argue about this with him, I just remind him that Nintendo is likely to announce the Wii successor for late 2011 / late 2012 to kill off any momentum Move might be building.

The fact of the matter is a Wii HD starts with a base of "0 Users" as does the PS3 Move base. So an HD Wii is 75-80m behind X360/PS3 if it releases in 2010, and the PS3 base for Move is going to be 75-80m behind Wii when it launches this year


By the time the Wii HD does come out, the PS3 would of already done everything the Wii HD does. (It only does everything!!!)

HD console = PS3

HD format = PS3

Good online service = PS3

Motion controls = PS3

The PS3 MOVE user base may start from Zero but remember, its gonna have a 2-3 year head start, and in 2-3 years the PS3 may be at 50 million plus, so  Move will be accessable to those 50 million current PS3 owners, and all for $100 or less. Compared to the Wii HD which will probably launch at $200-300 and without a decent online service and Blue Ray.

Nintendo is gonna have a problem if Sony decides to Bundle it with EVERY ps3, for one price.

Did you buy your crsytal ball from the same shady street vendor that Pacther did?

It's good to know that someone already knows the price, the online service and game medium for a console that Nintendo says is not even under consideration.

Chances are Nintendo wont improve the online, because most of their customers dont care about online.

Why would the Wii HD, an Updated version of the Current gen Wii be cheaper? Its going to be more expensive.

As for the Media format,Nintendo goes with their own formats.


So... first Nintendo is in trouble because the PS3 has all these features, then Nintendo knows its audience so well that they won't bother. Which do you believe?



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Games4Fun on 07 June 2010
morenoingrato said:

they'll indeed lose marketshare, but they would anyway.

I really wanna see Patcher in charge of nintendo


No thanks I like playing games I enjoy and for the most part the way Nintendo does thier business. Good hardware ,cheap prices, and rarely if ever breaks. with Him in charge I do not think it would be any of these things anymore. Iwata & Co. have done a wonderful job.



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Barozi on 07 June 2010
DixieKong said:
Barozi said:
DixieKong said:
Metallicube said:

Jesus Christ Patcher.. The average consumer DOES NOT CARE about HD! Do you really think a 14 year old girl or old man buying the Wii is going to be like, you know.. these motion control games are awesome, but I'd REALLY love to play them in HD!


This is pretty much what I was going to say. Most of the people who purchased a Wii have no interest in HD graphics, because if they did they would have just bought an HD console from the start. Michael Pachter just doesn't seem to understand that people enjoy the Wii for Nintendo's games, not HD graphics and all the other non gaming extras. 

Totally wrong. Pachter has a Wii for exact those reasons.

Yes, but he has always insisted that Nintendo should make a Wii HD in order to provide the Wii audience with HD graphics and non gaming features that the competition has. But this is not the reason why most of the expanded audience bought the Wii in the first place. It would be a very poor business decision for Nintendo to release a HD version of the Wii since it is too late into the generation, most developers wouldn't bother to support it, and not many people will upgrade simply to play their games in HD. 

That's why Pachter said (and he's undoubtedly right here) it would be much easier for developers to port Natal/Move games to a Wii HD. Why does the Wii have this poor 3rd party support ? Because it would be too much work to downscale the game, adding motion controls and make it run decently on the Wii.

Nintendo can't lose anything. If only 20% of the current Wii audience would make the jump and buy a Wii HD some new customers, it would already be a huge win.



silicon on 07 June 2010
kaneada said:
superchunk said:

So, he admits his view isn't the same as Nintendo's and Nintendo is really good at running its business. So, wouldn't that imply that if they don't think its the right time for a new console then he is simply wrong?


If the question you were asking was completely objective, then yes you would be right.


In real life there's more then 1 right answer. Nintendo is doing something different then what Pachter thought they should do.



Moren on 07 June 2010
Games4Fun said:
morenoingrato said:

they'll indeed lose marketshare, but they would anyway.

I really wanna see Patcher in charge of nintendo


No thanks I like playing games I enjoy and for the most part the way Nintendo does thier business. Good hardware ,cheap prices, and rarely if ever breaks. with Him in charge I do not think it would be any of these things anymore. Iwata & Co. have done a wonderful job.

I was joking in a way to say that if he owns nintendo, It would have bankrupted from the start of the gen



Garnett on 07 June 2010
lapsed_gamer said:
Garnett said:
Viper1 said:
Garnett said:
TheSource said:

When I argue about this with him, I just remind him that Nintendo is likely to announce the Wii successor for late 2011 / late 2012 to kill off any momentum Move might be building.

The fact of the matter is a Wii HD starts with a base of "0 Users" as does the PS3 Move base. So an HD Wii is 75-80m behind X360/PS3 if it releases in 2010, and the PS3 base for Move is going to be 75-80m behind Wii when it launches this year


By the time the Wii HD does come out, the PS3 would of already done everything the Wii HD does. (It only does everything!!!)

HD console = PS3

HD format = PS3

Good online service = PS3

Motion controls = PS3

The PS3 MOVE user base may start from Zero but remember, its gonna have a 2-3 year head start, and in 2-3 years the PS3 may be at 50 million plus, so  Move will be accessable to those 50 million current PS3 owners, and all for $100 or less. Compared to the Wii HD which will probably launch at $200-300 and without a decent online service and Blue Ray.

Nintendo is gonna have a problem if Sony decides to Bundle it with EVERY ps3, for one price.

Did you buy your crsytal ball from the same shady street vendor that Pacther did?

It's good to know that someone already knows the price, the online service and game medium for a console that Nintendo says is not even under consideration.

Chances are Nintendo wont improve the online, because most of their customers dont care about online.

Why would the Wii HD, an Updated version of the Current gen Wii be cheaper? Its going to be more expensive.

As for the Media format,Nintendo goes with their own formats.


So... first Nintendo is in trouble because the PS3 has all these features, then Nintendo knows its audience so well that they won't bother. Which do you believe?

I never said Nintend is in trouble, nor the Wii. I am talking about their next system.

Online gaming may not be big now, but its gonna expand.

If the PS3 with motion controls does everything the Wii HD does then why buy the Wii HD?



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Games4Fun on 07 June 2010
Garnett said:
lapsed_gamer said:
Garnett said:
Viper1 said:
Garnett said:
TheSource said:

When I argue about this with him, I just remind him that Nintendo is likely to announce the Wii successor for late 2011 / late 2012 to kill off any momentum Move might be building.

The fact of the matter is a Wii HD starts with a base of "0 Users" as does the PS3 Move base. So an HD Wii is 75-80m behind X360/PS3 if it releases in 2010, and the PS3 base for Move is going to be 75-80m behind Wii when it launches this year


By the time the Wii HD does come out, the PS3 would of already done everything the Wii HD does. (It only does everything!!!)

HD console = PS3

HD format = PS3

Good online service = PS3

Motion controls = PS3

The PS3 MOVE user base may start from Zero but remember, its gonna have a 2-3 year head start, and in 2-3 years the PS3 may be at 50 million plus, so  Move will be accessable to those 50 million current PS3 owners, and all for $100 or less. Compared to the Wii HD which will probably launch at $200-300 and without a decent online service and Blue Ray.

Nintendo is gonna have a problem if Sony decides to Bundle it with EVERY ps3, for one price.

Did you buy your crsytal ball from the same shady street vendor that Pacther did?

It's good to know that someone already knows the price, the online service and game medium for a console that Nintendo says is not even under consideration.

Chances are Nintendo wont improve the online, because most of their customers dont care about online.

Why would the Wii HD, an Updated version of the Current gen Wii be cheaper? Its going to be more expensive.

As for the Media format,Nintendo goes with their own formats.


So... first Nintendo is in trouble because the PS3 has all these features, then Nintendo knows its audience so well that they won't bother. Which do you believe?

I never said Nintend is in trouble, nor the Wii. I am talking about their next system.

Online gaming may not be big now, but its gonna expand.

If the PS3 with motion controls does everything the Wii HD does then why buy the Wii HDD

Same reason most people buy a Nintendo console. Nintendo made games.