zorg1000

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    < zorg1000 Woohoo I got a Wii U!!!!
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    < naruball posted something on zorg1000's wall:

    "1. Like I said, I credited handhelds with having a higher chance of being rebought, but neither you or I have any actual data to show the number of unique owners of each device so while you say I'm dowplaying, I could easily say you are overestimating the number of people who own multiple 3DS models and neither one of us would be right because neither of us has any proof.



    2. I just find it to be cherry picking when you choose a smaller support title instead of the proven system sellers like Pokemon which sells over 15 million and like I said, its about the overall library not just a game in isolation.



    3. Werent you the guy in another thread who was calling people out for using just the top 10 selling games to prove a point? So now a game has to chart in the top 10 of NPD to be considered a strong seller?"



    What are you even talking about?!



    1. Sure, I'm definitely overestimating consoles. How about you reply to the actual points I made, viz. price, space, and how easily they break or can be lost. I'll wait.



    2. What does Pokemon have to do with home consoles? It never sold 15m and the argument was that had WiiU had these games, it would have sold better. Read again the actual point instead of throwing handhelds in where they don't belong.



    3. Yes, I was. Where did I say that only the top 10 matters? We have plenty of charts with more than the top 10. Those charts are dominated by ps and xb games. The Japanese charts, on the other hand, have both Ninty and Sony games all year long. It used to be the case with nds and wii. It was not the same this generation where a few games here and there would do well, but the rest would be absent from the charts.

    1. I have already said twice that I too believe handhelds are far more likely to be rebought by the same person, what more are you looking for? My only point was that this happens to all devices with revisions/special editions to a certain extent so using that as an argument against 3DS sales is biased. Also MS/PS consoles have shown over history to be far more prone to breaking than Nintendo handhelds.

    2. If you dont know than you have clearly lost track of where our discussion began. You said that Nintendo IP arent enough to make a device sell well and used Wii U as your proof, I pointed out that Wii U has only a fraction of the overall Nintendo support and made a list of Nintendo games that appear on 3DS but not Wii U. You then pointed out how M&L is not enought to make a difference and I stated thats cherry picking when there are far bigger games on this list I made and that my point was aboit the overall library, not just one game.

    3. Ok take a look at the top 100 games sold each year according to this site, the last 4 years have consistently had about 20-25 games 3DS/Wii U games chart. Ya PS/XB is doing better but not sure what that has to do with anything since our discussion has never been about Nintendo vs PS/XB.

    My original comment to you simply said Nintendo has sold a good deal of hardware & software this generation so Nintendo IP clearly pull alot of weight and since then you have just been thinking up anything to try and discredit that statement.

    on 27 November 2016

    Naruball the only chart with more than ten games are UK's and Germany's...
    In Germany's charts Nintendo dominates with PS not xb1, 3DS had as much as games PS4 had in the top... Do not forget that wii u is still above xb1 there ( and in France too ) , while it has been killed since april.

    Sadly, Germany charts became a top 20 with multiplatform sales combined and you know how unfair this is for exclusive games...
     However, even with that, Paper Mario CS debuted  at 11st, way above gears of war 4.
    You still have the misconception that Nintendo software hasn't sell well this gen basing it on the illusory conclusion that you infer from some specific charts...
    Mario kart  7 has sold 1.2m and Mario kart 8 600k
    ( having an attach rate of almost 70% ) in France, for  example.
    YW dominated spain charts lately..


    Also, games of wii u have even charted very high in Scandinavian charts .


    Recently. Pokemon SUN and moon topped Australian and New zelander charts.




    on 14 December 2016

    By the way, you do realize that Nintendo consoles haven't the so much frequent releases of PS/XB thanks to third parties....

    on 14 December 2016

    Tak. You keep talking about exceptions. Thanks to 3rd parties both MS and Sony have a constant stream of games that sell well. There is a reason 3rd parties choose xb and ps. They just sell better on these consoles all year round.

    on 14 December 2016

    Tak. We also have the US numbers (we get way more than the top 10 thanks to a lot of people who leak numbers) and don't forget all the end of the year charts that show the top 100. There are some wiiu/3ds first party games, but the rest are xb1/ps4.

    When nds and wii (and psp) were selling well, we had all sorts of efforts from 3rd parties releasing games on them.

    on 14 December 2016

    Too many ''exceptions''...

    Anyway, no more to say, because zorg has covered me, particularly with the last part
    ( Have you read his statements ? )

    Plus that we may end up quarreling...

    There are many positive thing this gen regarding them, I will name a few.
    For instance, Mario kart 8 has outsold many XBOX/PlayStation major exclusives, splatoon the crazy nintendo new ip is neck to neck with halo 5 for the moment, 3DS has as much as 10m+ sellers playstation home consoles usually have,
    And the most important, 3DS will be the second best selling system of this gen in the core video games market.
    Okay, naru what can we do? Nintendo is back to its normal standards or a bit under these.
    Apropos, are you a Greek-Cypriot?

    on 14 December 2016

    things*

    on 14 December 2016

    I forgot to point out something about handheld console having a higher chance of being rebought...

    Perhaps, the proof of this is the fairly lower attach ratios of handheld console compared to home consoles.
    Both of you agree on this as I see..
    However, Nintendo products are very durable, so the repurchasing is more about revisions and limited editions., Zorg you have implied that... hehe

    PS2 and XBO360 must be most prone to be broken ever consoles....
    My brother bought 4 ps2...

    One fat, and three slims.
    As for the xbox360, I have surmised that from xbox fans comments...

    on 14 December 2016

    < tak13 posted something on zorg1000's wall:

    In your supposed NS revisions, would you say that Nintendo would also revise the dock? Remember is just a tv out and charging cradle, ergo not something special!

    not sure, could see it going either way

    on 20 October 2016

    < Veknoid_Outcast posted something on zorg1000's wall:

    Thanks for sticking up for me :)

    No problem, he was getting way out of line

    on 02 August 2016

    Calling you an hypocrite for owning a PS4 (which you need for your job) is rich considering he has been complaining about Neo and Scorpio in these forums, but he keeps working for a company that will make games for them (and it's likely that he'll be involved in them).

    on 02 August 2016

    Ya how dare you accept that PS4 wedding gift!!!!

    on 02 August 2016

    < RolStoppable posted something on zorg1000's wall:

    I haven't seen you post much in response to the current NX rumor. What gives?

    I posted in a few of the threads but i guess i never said what i think about it. I personally think a family of systems would be a wiser choice but as long as it gives people the handheld & home experience while having a uniifed library and at the right price than i have no problem with a hybrid device.

    I dont believe or disbelieve the rumor, if it turns out to be a fake than i wont be surprised but if it turns out to be real i srill wont be surprised.

    on 27 July 2016

    Boooooring..

    on 27 July 2016

    hahaha what were you expecting me to say?

    on 27 July 2016

    Something along the lines of "what a load of crap" would have been nice.

    on 27 July 2016

    what is so unbelievable about it?

    on 27 July 2016

    That it is a hybrid after Nintendo's talk of possibly increasing the number of form factors due to the new approach to home console and handheld R&D. Or that the "brain" needs to be placed in a dock when Nintendo actually has streaming technology from the Wii U that would allow this device to play with a screen controller that transmits a signal to the TV wirelessly, thus eliminating the need to attach/detach the control elements repeatedly.

    on 27 July 2016

    well to be fair, Iwata's statement was pretty open-ended on the subject of hybrid or unified family. He basically said that they havent decided which route to go and the market would determine what they choose.

    As for having a dock, perhaps the device is underclocked when in portable mode in order to save battery life and when in console mode its running at full clock speed to display games at higher resolution.

    on 27 July 2016

    But the market can't make such a choice when it isn't given a choice.

    At least the explanation for the dock makes sense.

    on 27 July 2016

    Well in that case a family of devices wouldnt make sense either since the market wasnt given a choice to decide if they want a hybrid or family instead.

    I'm paraphrasing but the quote from Iwata was basically, "we may go with a single hybrid device but on the other hand we may go with a family of unified devices, we havent decided yet."

    on 27 July 2016

    u never responded, so do u think this rumor is possible now or still think its completely made up?

    on 31 July 2016

    I didn't respond because you bent the quote to fit a hybrid and I didn't care enough to answer. A family of systems gives consumers the choice, especially if it starts to include a hybrid after a home console and handheld have already been brought to the market. Depending how each device sold over course of its respective production run, Nintendo would then decide if only one device is necessary in the future. That's the beauty of their different approach, the number of devices and the kind of device can be changed how Nintendo sees fit.

    I still don't believe this rumor, but that doesn't mean everything has to be made up (one of the options you gave just now). For example, NX using cartridges might very well be true.

    on 31 July 2016

    "Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase."

    "Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment."

    Those are actual statements from Iwata, at the time he was unsure if they would go hybrid device or family of devices.

    I agree with you though, I believe a family of devices is a wiser choice and gives more freedom to the consumer.

    on 31 July 2016

    Actual statements of Iwata with the middle portion being ripped out. But even what you've quoted does not suggest a hybrid. It suggests uncertainty if the common two form factors will be all it will be, then the closing remark says that it will be up to consumers to determine whether Nintendo will need to make one or more devices in the future. Future does not mean the upcoming generation of Nintendo hardware, but the one after that.

    Like I said before, if it's now hybrid-only, then how are consumers supposed to decide? And if consumers can't decide, then how could Iwata say that consumers will make the decision?

    on 31 July 2016

    yes, the middle portion which just explains what he means by potentially increasing form factors.

    What i quoted suggests that Iwata was unsure of which route to take, hybrid or family.

    As for how consumers decide, there are other ways to find out what consumers want other than just putting a product on the market and seeing how it does.

    on 31 July 2016

    < tak13 posted something on zorg1000's wall:

    Zorgy!!!!!!! heheheheheh, NX is the only thing that can make me and you to quarrel, lol! ;) ;) ;) ;)

    lol what makes you say that?

    on 09 April 2016

    Have you forgotten? Okay, quarrel is a strong word, more like intense debate! heheheeh

    on 09 April 2016

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