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Spider-Man no longer in the MCU after disagreement between Sony and Disney (UPDATE #2): Sony releases statement

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Identity politics? OH dear, one of thoooseee people.

Well here are the options I thought up for a spacebattles post on this

A Sonic movie level backtrack
Sony gets hacked again in retaliation
Disney yanks the Spiderman game license to mess with Insomniac's game in some way
Spiderman gets basically X-mened for a bit
Disney buys Sony out
Lawsuits
Other bad thing for Sony
Other bad thing for a consistent Marvel Universe (while DC laughs)

Well at least they have a few years to punch it out before Spiderman has any reason to pop up again....



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

COKTOE said:

If I still gave a fart about the MCU, I'b be PISSED! Anyway, as a Sony fanboy, and someone who is no fan of Disney: Fuck Disney! Just in general. Fuck their cinematic pablum. Fuck their identity politics. Fuck their weak-ass, creatively bankrupt remakes. Fuck their monolithic presence in the world of entertainment. Yeah! Vinland Saga!

As for the business end of this as it concerns Sony......It's an iffy move. However, if people like the movies, I don't think it's going to matter much if Falcon doesn't have a cameo in the next movie. Or whoever. Most of the integration with the rest of the MCU would have been mostly fluff until the next big story convergence, which is a ways away. Hopefully the MCU train will have pile-driven into the valley by then.

I went to watch aladin.... it was so damn weak, compaired to the old cartoon version.
What Ive read of reviews on Lion King is the same, even dumbo looks bad imo.

Its like they ran out of orinal ideas or story telling talent.
Disney of old, used to rock with animation.... and there was passion and life in their characters.
These old classics havnt done well as remakes.

Thats ontop of what they did to Star Wars (its gone crap after disney took over)



Btw, for those saying this is all Sony's fault, and they're stupid to let this happen.....

"Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe"

Sony would have been pretty weak to roll over on a demand like that. Disney already throws it's weight around enough in Hollywood as it is.



So does this mean no more spider man game on PlayStation?



JRPGfan said:
COKTOE said:

If I still gave a fart about the MCU, I'b be PISSED! Anyway, as a Sony fanboy, and someone who is no fan of Disney: Fuck Disney! Just in general. Fuck their cinematic pablum. Fuck their identity politics. Fuck their weak-ass, creatively bankrupt remakes. Fuck their monolithic presence in the world of entertainment. Yeah! Vinland Saga!

As for the business end of this as it concerns Sony......It's an iffy move. However, if people like the movies, I don't think it's going to matter much if Falcon doesn't have a cameo in the next movie. Or whoever. Most of the integration with the rest of the MCU would have been mostly fluff until the next big story convergence, which is a ways away. Hopefully the MCU train will have pile-driven into the valley by then.

I went to watch aladin.... it was so damn weak, compaired to the old cartoon version.
What Ive read of reviews on Lion King is the same, even dumbo looks bad imo.

Its like they ran out of orinal ideas or story telling talent.
Disney of old, used to rock with animation.... and there was passion and life in their characters.
These old classics havnt done well as remakes.

Thats ontop of what they did to Star Wars (its gone crap after disney took over)

Um, did you see Star Wars before Disney bought it? It wasn't exactly smelling pretty. 

The only stories coming out of it in about half a decade or so that didn't manage to infuriate a majority of the fanbase were the ones with Cade Skywalker about a century into the future of the series. 

They lost a lot of good stuff sure, but plenty of dung, especially recent dung. Jacen Solo < Ben Solo, trust me. 

Angelus said:

Btw, for those saying this is all Sony's fault, and they're stupid to let this happen.....

"Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe"

Sony would have been pretty weak to roll over on a demand like that. Disney already throws it's weight around enough in Hollywood as it is.

AAANNNDD a sense of not letting Sony just walk around with the Marvel brand willy nilly was a good idea why? 

Ignore Spiderverse for a moment, and remember the rest of the output. I like the Amazing series well enough, but intervention was needed. 

Pretty sure Venom was the superhero equiv of a Bay Transformer film. 

Also lest we forget: Emoji Movie. 



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Pinkie_pie said:
So does this mean no more spider man game on PlayStation?

Different departments



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Angelus said:

Btw, for those saying this is all Sony's fault, and they're stupid to let this happen.....

"Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe"

Sony would have been pretty weak to roll over on a demand like that. Disney already throws it's weight around enough in Hollywood as it is.

The thing is the article does also mention that Sony never even came back to attempt to find a compromise, the just flat out refused kept it at that. If they didn't wanna roll over on that they didn't need to, but to not even try to figure out something else that works out better for them, especially after all the success they've had as a result of this deal in the past, is still kind of stupid. It's like they were so willing to just walk away from it immediately. 



KrspaceT said: 
Angelus said:

Btw, for those saying this is all Sony's fault, and they're stupid to let this happen.....

"Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe"

Sony would have been pretty weak to roll over on a demand like that. Disney already throws it's weight around enough in Hollywood as it is.

AAANNNDD a sense of not letting Sony just walk around with the Marvel brand willy nilly was a good idea why? 

Ignore Spiderverse for a moment, and remember the rest of the output. I like the Amazing series well enough, but intervention was needed. 

Pretty sure Venom was the superhero equiv of a Bay Transformer film. 

Also lest we forget: Emoji Movie. 

First off, the Emoji movie is irrelevant in this discussion. Venom....I haven't seen it, but it made over $800m, without even having Spiderman in it. Say what you will about it's quality, it was a massive success financially speaking. It's true that Sony missed the mark somewhat with the Amazing Spiderman movies, particularly the second, but even so, no mainline Spiderman movie has ever failed to cross $700m. It's not like Marvel stepped in and turned a complete nothing franchise into a winner here. So for Disney to think they deserve not only to get 50% of each movie they're directly involved in (they got 5% and merchandising rights under the old agreement), but also 50% of movies that Sony make independently of them in their Spider Verse or whatever…..that's just absurd. Sony absolutely has no need to let themselves get strong armed into such a deal. They can make money with Spiderman just fine on their own.



melbye said:
Pinkie_pie said:
So does this mean no more spider man game on PlayStation?

Different departments

Rage is rage, so don't be surprised if Marvel Avengers is suddenly only Xbox and PC.

FloatingWaffles said:
Angelus said:

Btw, for those saying this is all Sony's fault, and they're stupid to let this happen.....

"Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe"

Sony would have been pretty weak to roll over on a demand like that. Disney already throws it's weight around enough in Hollywood as it is.

The thing is the article does also mention that Sony never even came back to attempt to find a compromise, the just flat out refused kept it at that. If they didn't wanna roll over on that they didn't need to, but to not even try to figure out something else that works out better for them, especially after all the success they've had as a result of this deal in the past, is still kind of stupid. It's like they were so willing to just walk away from it immediately. 

They could be betting that more anger will go at Disney than them.....or if Disney has thinner skin. 



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?