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Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

I don't think these groups should be forced to shut down. Yeah they're pretty toxic and should be condemned but they have the right to protest their far right and far left ideals. Police departments should do better jobs at trying to stop these encounters from getting out of control.

You cannot put this all on the Police, they are only so many and if the crowds on both sides are big they will not have enough personnel. The thing about these groups is once they go violent, then they place themselves in the position to be shut down, denied rights to public protest or assemble. Now the key is if the other side had the opportunity would they plant people to commit violence in the name of the other side.  Oh the games we can play once regulations starts flying around.

The police have a job to do. They serve and protect. That's their job and people look up to them and rely on them to do their job and do it properly. If they can't handle it, that's their problem, not the people's.

Or maybe people shouldn't be putting everything on the President? Considering they're just one person, who has a job to do for the people, who's supposed to just deal with it, whatever comes their way.



I know we've kind of moved on from this topic but just came across this article in relation to the issue of euthanasia.

Basically it outlines a retired school teacher's battle against motor neurone disease and the fact that he's having to spend much of his final time on this planet filling out forms and campaigning for legalised euthanasia.

He'll have to die earlier than he would if it was offered in Scotland and say his final goodbyes in a sterile hospital room in Zurich, rather than at home with his family...

Couple of quotes that I thought were particularly poignant from the man in question :

"If the choice of an assisted death was available to me here in Scotland so many of my worries would have been eased and my remaining time would have been spent in better ways than burdensome and complex admin. Instead, that precious time would be spent with my wife, my family and my friends.

"The current laws (and lack of laws) around assisted dying in Scotland are cruel, outdated and discriminatory.

"I intend to spend the next eight weeks working with Dignity in Dying Scotland trying to change them."

And his wife :

"I am spending the last few months of Richard's life watching him die very slowly before my eyes but, as well as that, I am watching him go through this process which is incredibly stressful.

"I would much rather be with friends and family here when it's his time than in a foreign country that's a transactional business arrangement and it's not with the people that I love."

She also believes it should be a "human right" for individuals to end their life at a time of their choosing.

Mr Selley added: "I think if those who oppose assisted dying could spend just one day in my shoes they would change their view."

The last one is the most important for me, within the context of the discussion we're having here - I'm observing some with quite strong views on the subject without actually having any actual relatable experience of what situations like this can be like to live through...



jason1637 said:

They have the personnel to send a sufficient amount of officers to these protest.

Do you have evidence for this claim?



Biggerboat1 said:
jason1637 said:

They have the personnel to send a sufficient amount of officers to these protest.

Do you have evidence for this claim?

https://datausa.io/profile/soc/333050/There are 790k officers nationwide.



Biggerboat1 said:

I know we've kind of moved on from this topic but just came across this article in relation to the issue of euthanasia.

Basically it outlines a retired school teacher's battle against motor neurone disease and the fact that he's having to spend much of his final time on this planet filling out forms and campaigning for legalised euthanasia.

He'll have to die earlier than he would if it was offered in Scotland and say his final goodbyes in a sterile hospital room in Zurich, rather than at home with his family...

He's wasting his time. If he has time to fill out forms and campaign he should be doing more postive things in his last days.



Michigan Rep Justin Amash left the GOP.



jason1637 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Do you have evidence for this claim?

https://datausa.io/profile/soc/333050/There are 790k officers nationwide.

Just want to say, you typically can't just borrow police from other states or jurisdictions. Like sure, there are 790k officers nationwide. That doesn't mean there are 790k officers available for a particular event.



jason1637 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

Do you have evidence for this claim?

https://datausa.io/profile/soc/333050/There are 790k officers nationwide.

Wow, you've certainly come up with a seriously insightful & nuanced argument there...

I guess you have no problem with universal healthcare & universal basic income then! I mean the US's GDP is >20 trillion and that sure is a big number!

I guess homelessness doesn't need to be a thing, there are nearly 150 million homes in the US and that's also a big number!

The answer to my original question, is no, you don't have any evidence.



jason1637 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

I know we've kind of moved on from this topic but just came across this article in relation to the issue of euthanasia.

Basically it outlines a retired school teacher's battle against motor neurone disease and the fact that he's having to spend much of his final time on this planet filling out forms and campaigning for legalised euthanasia.

He'll have to die earlier than he would if it was offered in Scotland and say his final goodbyes in a sterile hospital room in Zurich, rather than at home with his family...

He's wasting his time. If he has time to fill out forms and campaign he should be doing more postive things in his last days.

Are you aware how arrogant & just plain mean this post comes off as?



Biggerboat1 said:
jason1637 said:

https://datausa.io/profile/soc/333050/There are 790k officers nationwide.

Wow, you've certainly come up with a seriously insightful & nuanced argument there...

I guess you have no problem with universal healthcare & universal basic income then! I mean the US's GDP is >20 trillion and that sure is a big number!

I guess homelessness doesn't need to be a thing, there are nearly 150 million homes in the US and that's also a big number!

The answer to my original question, is no, you don't have any evidence.

1. The healthcare system we have currently is terrible. It's too expensive and millions don't have healthcare. Universal healthcare would cover everyone and would actually decrease the cost of healthcare so yeah I like it.

2. The vast majority of Americans can't afford a $500 bill so UBI would go along way. In the 70s there was a experiment done under the Nixon admin with 8.5k Americans from NJ, PA, and NC trying out UBI and the results were very positive. They found that it can be properly funded, people won't work less, it helped many poor communities, demand for labour increased, stronger marriages, moral and social conditions improved. Andrew Yang has pretty good policy proposal for this.

Yes 20 trillion is a large number and so is 790k police officers. If this was the first few times violence broke out at protest I would not be quick to blame the police but this continues to happen and it's the police's job to prevent this from happening.

Biggerboat1 said:
jason1637 said:

He's wasting his time. If he has time to fill out forms and campaign he should be doing more postive things in his last days.

Are you aware how arrogant & just plain mean this post comes off as?

Euthanasia is a dumb concept and the guy is wasting his last few days on it while he can be doing something productive.