A wall will stop nothing.

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There are plenty of other ways to smuggle stuff.

I am kind of amazed that people believe in it, prisons and jails are highsecured but still they have so many drugs making it inside.

Well to be fair we could assume that without the walls a lot more drugs would be traded to the same people that should be in the prison,atleast with borders,walls and prisons drugstrafficking is partly discouraged.

Demand will not go down prices will go up. Small fish can't make some easy money anymore they need because of their financial situation and drug lords will get stronger and they are worse.

Personally, I have not seen a single convincing argument against the wall and why Democrats hate it so much.

Is it a $6B waste of money? Fine. Leverage it against programs you want passed. If it fails, not only did you get the programs you want, you also made the Repubs look dumb. Defund its maintenance costs once it is proven that a wall is completely ineffective in preventing illegal immigration.

If the large immoral expenditures of money is the problem, maybe fight against more military spending? The hundreds of billions spent on actual machines made to kill other ppl? The wall is a passive defensive structure, it is as about as unethical as the lock on your door.

Is it because it’ll work? Is stopping (edit. not completely of course) illegal immigration the actual problem? Wouldn’t streamlining the immigration process solve that? Isn’t that something that can be easily leveraged at this point? Build the wall but open the door.

I would love to hear actual simplified arguments at this point. So far, as far as I can see, the wall looks like it can be turned into a win-win for both sides if they only stop fighting and hating each other.

A wall would stop people from entering illegally from the south.

Oh and I think you posted the wrong link XD.

Ah, shit.. damn smartphone: 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/solar-powered-drug-tunnel-discovered-on-mexican-border-with-california

Correct link.

No, the US wall wouldn't stop them. The Berlin Wall also didn't stopped people from escaping from the DDR into the West. And crossing that border was even way more dangerous, because you could get shot.  

The only thing that would stop people coming is making the place they want to escape from a better place. That's the only way to go. But I don't say that the US should start sending money to Mexico for fixing their shit. 

Im not a US citizen so excuse me if Im not 100% on all this but....

I think it has to do with people did some calculations and those 6$ Bn are about a 3rd of the actual price needed to do what he said, along the entire distance. After all why build just part of a wall some place? people could just walk around it if if you dont do it the entire stretch.

also it has to do with the wall itself.... you can easy saw through it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB-fv2aK8t4

The department of homeland security themselves tested these walls, that Trump wants to build and say its meaningless.

Also walls will need manpower to protect it & repair, because as is, its basically not going to do anything to prevent immigration or drug smugling.
That costs too, the 6$ bn is waaaaay to little, it ll end up costing much more.

So basically the dems are saying, there are smarter ways to use money to prevent immigration or drug smugling.
Which is probably true. They see it as just throwing money out the window.'

However Trump ran his campagne on this lie, that a wall would fix everything.
So he needs to get some kinda wall buildt, if he wants to run for president again.

Thats all it is, its a meaningless waste of money, so he has a chance to get re-elected.

Again, if it fails or is proven to be objectively useless, the democrats win and can use it as a campaign position for decades to come. They can do this AND get some of their campaign promises done. The cost of it isn’t significant enough to sink the US economy. Far from it. From where I stand, it’s win-win-win for Democrats if they weren’t so obstructionist. The only risk they face is if it does work and the repubs can use it for their campaign.

Meaningful use of money is relative. The US is losing billions on the government shutdown alone. Do the US really need to buy another 90 F-35s? The whole efficient spending argument is silly. Governments are never efficient in spending. And 6B or even 20B isn’t really all that big relative to what the US spends in defense. A reasonable number of americans want the wall. The same way a reasonable number of americans want affordable health care for all or a streamlined immigration process. Trading one for the other seems like the smart way to go. But we all know that’s never gonna happen. :p It’s become Us vs Them, We’re ready to lose as long as you fail too mutual assured destruction kinda thing.

If Trump offered full citizenship to the dreamers along with a massive overhaul of the immigration system that made the process of legally entering the country quicker and more efficient it would be worth taking. As of now nope, just hold off and watch him get more desperate as his already low approval rating continues to get worse