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Forums - Politics Discussion - Donald Trump: How Do You Feel about Him Now? (Poll)

 

Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Snoopy on 24 March 2019
SuaveSocialist said:
Snoopy said:

You can't impeach beloved leader for Tweeting unless it involves national security information or something of that realm.

You mean like that time Beloved Leader Tweeted the locations and identities of Seal Team Five members while they were deployed?  Or would you like to Move the Goalposts to something more specific?

Don't remember that, can you post a link and show that it was a national security issue?



SuaveSocialist on 24 March 2019
Snoopy said:
SuaveSocialist said:

You mean like that time Beloved Leader Tweeted the locations and identities of Seal Team Five members while they were deployed?  Or would you like to Move the Goalposts to something more specific?

1.  Don't remember that,

2.  can you post a link

3.  and show that it was a national security issue?


1. Well, it was about ten whole weeks ago.

2. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-navy-seal-iraq-video-1272102

3.  “Operational security is the most important aspect of personnel deployments. The real names, faces, and identities, of personnel involved in special operations or activities, are usually a closely held secret in a combat zone,” Nance said. “Revealing them casually, through an unusual media exposure even if it’s the commander in chief, would prove a propaganda boom if any of this personnel are detained by a hostile government or captured by a terrorist group. There would be no denying who you are and what you do.”  --Malcolm Nance.  Source: see the link above.

So unless your position is that hostile governments or terrorist groups to not fall under the umbrella of a "national security issue", Tweeting the location and identities of Seal Team Five members definitively fits your criteria of Tweeting national security information "or something of that realm".  Well, you were given the chance to Move the Goalposts, but since you did not take the opportunity to do so, what we have here is an event that conclusively meets your criteria for an impeachable offense.  



Snoopy on 24 March 2019
SuaveSocialist said:
Snoopy said:

1.  Don't remember that,

2.  can you post a link

3.  and show that it was a national security issue?


1. Well, it was about ten whole weeks ago.

2. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-navy-seal-iraq-video-1272102

3.  “Operational security is the most important aspect of personnel deployments. The real names, faces, and identities, of personnel involved in special operations or activities, are usually a closely held secret in a combat zone,” Nance said. “Revealing them casually, through an unusual media exposure even if it’s the commander in chief, would prove a propaganda boom if any of this personnel are detained by a hostile government or captured by a terrorist group. There would be no denying who you are and what you do.”  --Malcolm Nance.  Source: see the link above.

So unless your position is that hostile governments or terrorist groups to not fall under the umbrella of a "national security issue", Tweeting the location and identities of Seal Team Five members definitively fits your criteria of Tweeting national security information "or something of that realm".  Well, you were given the chance to Move the Goalposts, but since you did not take the opportunity to do so, what we have here is an event that conclusively meets your criteria for an impeachable offense.  

Still, don't see the national security issue. He never said anything about Navy Seal in the tweet nor did it risk anyone's security.  But someone got their hands on the report of what Kyu Lee said about being the chaplain to SEAL Team 5.  If Trump did oust national security he will be in jail or possibly dead. It was just media doing what it does best. Makeup / spin things to slander Trump. The only thing that is a threat to the United States is socialists like you.



Immersiveunreality on 24 March 2019
SuaveSocialist said:
Snoopy said:

1.  Don't remember that,

2.  can you post a link

3.  and show that it was a national security issue?


1. Well, it was about ten whole weeks ago.

2. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-navy-seal-iraq-video-1272102

3.  “Operational security is the most important aspect of personnel deployments. The real names, faces, and identities, of personnel involved in special operations or activities, are usually a closely held secret in a combat zone,” Nance said. “Revealing them casually, through an unusual media exposure even if it’s the commander in chief, would prove a propaganda boom if any of this personnel are detained by a hostile government or captured by a terrorist group. There would be no denying who you are and what you do.”  --Malcolm Nance.  Source: see the link above.

So unless your position is that hostile governments or terrorist groups to not fall under the umbrella of a "national security issue", Tweeting the location and identities of Seal Team Five members definitively fits your criteria of Tweeting national security information "or something of that realm".  Well, you were given the chance to Move the Goalposts, but since you did not take the opportunity to do so, what we have here is an event that conclusively meets your criteria for an impeachable offense.  

I do not know if it is an offense in your opinion but while it is dangerous to do so,it is not an offense since this is not a secret millitary team, and those locations werent a secret to begin with.

I also have to point out the very hypocritical stance of the MSM on this, they had their very own people taking pictures and posting it for the world to see and it is also hilarious that people think secret missions start out with a deployment like that and it is thought that the start of the leaking lies at Trumps tweeting.(hint:leaking of information already started beforehand)

Is this an impeachable offense for you?



Snoopy on 24 March 2019
Immersiveunreality said:
SuaveSocialist said:


1. Well, it was about ten whole weeks ago.

2. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-navy-seal-iraq-video-1272102

3.  “Operational security is the most important aspect of personnel deployments. The real names, faces, and identities, of personnel involved in special operations or activities, are usually a closely held secret in a combat zone,” Nance said. “Revealing them casually, through an unusual media exposure even if it’s the commander in chief, would prove a propaganda boom if any of this personnel are detained by a hostile government or captured by a terrorist group. There would be no denying who you are and what you do.”  --Malcolm Nance.  Source: see the link above.

So unless your position is that hostile governments or terrorist groups to not fall under the umbrella of a "national security issue", Tweeting the location and identities of Seal Team Five members definitively fits your criteria of Tweeting national security information "or something of that realm".  Well, you were given the chance to Move the Goalposts, but since you did not take the opportunity to do so, what we have here is an event that conclusively meets your criteria for an impeachable offense.  

I do not know if it is an offense in your opinion but while it is dangerous to do so,it is not an offense since this is not a secret millitary team, and those locations werent a secret to begin with.

I also have to point out the very hypocritical stance of the MSM on this, they had their very own people taking pictures and posting it for the world to see and it is also hilarious that people think secret missions start out with a deployment like that and it is thought that the start of the leaking lies at Trumps tweeting.(hint:leaking of information already started beforehand)

Is this an impeachable offense for you?

The national security hasn't been breached or else Trump will be in court. He never revealed anything. If this was a national security issue he will be in court right now. Especially with liberal media and Democrats being the majority in Congress.



Immersiveunreality on 24 March 2019
Snoopy said:
Immersiveunreality said:

I do not know if it is an offense in your opinion but while it is dangerous to do so,it is not an offense since this is not a secret millitary team, and those locations werent a secret to begin with.

I also have to point out the very hypocritical stance of the MSM on this, they had their very own people taking pictures and posting it for the world to see and it is also hilarious that people think secret missions start out with a deployment like that and it is thought that the start of the leaking lies at Trumps tweeting.(hint:leaking of information already started beforehand)

Is this an impeachable offense for you?

The national security hasn't been breached or else Trump will be in court. He never revealed anything. If this was a national security issue he will be in court right now. Especially with liberal media and Democrats being the majority in Congress.

I agree.



Machiavellian on 24 March 2019
Immersiveunreality said:
Snoopy said:

The national security hasn't been breached or else Trump will be in court. He never revealed anything. If this was a national security issue he will be in court right now. Especially with liberal media and Democrats being the majority in Congress.

I agree.

Why would he be in court for something like this even if it was stupid.  As Commander in Chief, he could reveal an ops team and nothing would happen.  It would be stupid and put the team in jeopardy and who knows what else but no one could prosecute the President for it.  Its the same thing where he divulge sensitive information from another nation to Russia.  Was it a breach yes, but is it a criminal offense no.  Just because he is an idiot and does stupid stuff just means that people have to live with it because he is the President.  What always cracks me up is people always trying to defend when he does stupid stuff as if he is their relative or something.  Its as if, people feel if they say one bad thing about Trump it crumbles their whole world view.



SuaveSocialist on 24 March 2019
Immersiveunreality said:
SuaveSocialist said:


1. Well, it was about ten whole weeks ago.

2. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-navy-seal-iraq-video-1272102

3.  “Operational security is the most important aspect of personnel deployments. The real names, faces, and identities, of personnel involved in special operations or activities, are usually a closely held secret in a combat zone,” Nance said. “Revealing them casually, through an unusual media exposure even if it’s the commander in chief, would prove a propaganda boom if any of this personnel are detained by a hostile government or captured by a terrorist group. There would be no denying who you are and what you do.”  --Malcolm Nance.  Source: see the link above.

So unless your position is that hostile governments or terrorist groups to not fall under the umbrella of a "national security issue", Tweeting the location and identities of Seal Team Five members definitively fits your criteria of Tweeting national security information "or something of that realm".  Well, you were given the chance to Move the Goalposts, but since you did not take the opportunity to do so, what we have here is an event that conclusively meets your criteria for an impeachable offense.  

Is that an impeachable offense to you?

It's an impeachable offense to Snoopy, as it fits the exact criteria he'd previously outlined.  



SuaveSocialist on 24 March 2019
Snoopy said:
SuaveSocialist said:


1. Well, it was about ten whole weeks ago.

2. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-navy-seal-iraq-video-1272102

3.  “Operational security is the most important aspect of personnel deployments. The real names, faces, and identities, of personnel involved in special operations or activities, are usually a closely held secret in a combat zone,” Nance said. “Revealing them casually, through an unusual media exposure even if it’s the commander in chief, would prove a propaganda boom if any of this personnel are detained by a hostile government or captured by a terrorist group. There would be no denying who you are and what you do.”  --Malcolm Nance.  Source: see the link above.

So unless your position is that hostile governments or terrorist groups to not fall under the umbrella of a "national security issue", Tweeting the location and identities of Seal Team Five members definitively fits your criteria of Tweeting national security information "or something of that realm".  Well, you were given the chance to Move the Goalposts, but since you did not take the opportunity to do so, what we have here is an event that conclusively meets your criteria for an impeachable offense.  

Still, don't see the national security issue. 

Too late to Move the Goalposts, Snoopy.  Your criteria was for Beloved Leader to have Tweeted national security information "or something of that realm".  Point 2 shows that Beloved Leader's did in fact Tweet, Point 3 shows how that Tweet revealed "national security information" "or something of that realm".  That's not a matter of speculation.  It's on record.  And my reply was specifically structured so that your question was answered, your criteria for an impeachable offense met, and that you'd "see" it.  You were given the opportunity to Move the Goalposts and you did not take it.  



Immersiveunreality on 24 March 2019
Machiavellian said:
Immersiveunreality said:

I agree.

Why would he be in court for something like this even if it was stupid.  As Commander in Chief, he could reveal an ops team and nothing would happen.  It would be stupid and put the team in jeopardy and who knows what else but no one could prosecute the President for it.  Its the same thing where he divulge sensitive information from another nation to Russia.  Was it a breach yes, but is it a criminal offense no.  Just because he is an idiot and does stupid stuff just means that people have to live with it because he is the President.  What always cracks me up is people always trying to defend when he does stupid stuff as if he is their relative or something.  Its as if, people feel if they say one bad thing about Trump it crumbles their whole world view.

So you also agree?

Many people in here mostly do not defend him for doing stupid stuff but honest criticism is something that some people try to support even when it is about an opponent so we try to be aware of the sources of information too.

How was it a breach ? 

Not wanting to defend him being stupid but can you tell me how something that is organised as a party with press can be breached?