Isn't that where the sales were on here before they were slightly adjusted up on the US charts? Cant remember if it was 270 or 250

There was a US bundle? I only saw Europe and Canada. 

We already have the official NPD LTD from a leak last month which showed wiiU was overtracked by 75-100k. Then we have the official Japanese sales data every week from famitsu/mediacreate. And then for "others", well we can only look at Nintendo's own shipment numbers and see that it's impossible that it's overtracked by over 400k overthere. And I'm too lazy to go through this thread again, but when you were taking to someone, you said that 300k was a "conservative" number and that it was likely overtracked by 500k+. I'm telling you once again that it's factually impossible that it's overtracked by that much.

And I'm NOT using vgc data. I'm using Nintendo shipments/NPD/Mediacreate/famitsu.

There is no bundle in the US.

It's looking like PS4 will be about 1m below where Wii & PS2 were after two US holidays, 15 months for PS2, 14 months for Wii & PS4. Xbox 1 is selling pretty horribly actually, it's just obscured by the fact that Wii U is selling even worse somehow.

X1 is probably going to end up at 2.2-2.8m or something for the year, vs. maybe 1.5-1.7m for Wii U. 

For 30 weeks we have average weekly sales of:

PS4 - 59,000

X1 - 41,000

WIi U - 18,000

50,000 / week in Jan - Oct implies 3.5m in a year - a solid - but not strong year. PS4 should probably get to 4.1m or so based on that (vs. 6m for Wii / PS2 in their first full year). I'm expecting them all to go up again next year, with PS4 peaking in 2016, and then Wii U / X1 declining after 2015 (i.e. PS4 will be up in 2016, Wii U / X1 will be down). It's looking like a fairly mundane generation overall - PS4 will probably get to slightly better figures in the US than PS3, but without a strong Xbox and more expensive game development, it should be harder for games to be made for it as long as they were for PS3 / X360, so I think PS4 gets to 29m or something (vs. 26-27m for PS3) in a shorter timeframe, with X1 getting to 16m or so, and Wii U maybe getting to 10-11m (it's going to be replaced in 2017 - I'd say 2016, but 3DS will be need to be replaced first - Wii U is at least growing - 3DS is shrinking)

PS4 is sure to sell a lot more than that.

Appreciate that. Do you have the exact numbers for the other consoles from the leak as well (PS3, PSV, Wii, WiiU, 360)?

Honestly i said:

1) 4DS coming in 2017.

2) Wii D and XBOX TWO coming in 2018.

3) PS5 coming in 2020.

4) PS4 will break the peak in 2017.

5) XBOX ONE will sell double than XBOX in USA.

6) Wii U will sell more than GameCube  in USA.

He's partially right you know.

Many fans of the OG Xbox got burned hard. Lots of them ignored it cause they didn't know any better, since Xbox was their first console. Me coming off of Gamecube and PS2, I was like ok, I'm not gonna deal with this anymore.

Everytime, I bring up how MS just dropped the OG for the 360, fans want to tell me oh OG Xbox was losing Billions of dollars and oh x360 is so much more profitable then it too.

And I'm like, am I supposed to care about how much money Microsoft Makes?

With the exception of the better controller on the 360, the Xbox had no adds. barely any hardware problems what so ever, built in hard drive, fully featured out of the box, the only thing that was more durable was my GameCube cause the PS2 was always breaking, xbox live was always optional but encouraged, the OG Xbox was my favorite MS console.

Fast foward 10 years and the Kinect I'm trying to use with my third 360 which is an arcade tells me I need a hard drive to download the patch to use the Kinect. I also can't save. So the Kinect and 360 I got where completely useless without buying a ms branded HDD. 

Its that 360 mentality that gave us Always Online and Mandatory Kinect, while the reversals are bringing back the OG Xbox mentality and thats good, but MS is all about the money so we'll see.

Well I meant that it likely has 500k+ on shelves, which suggests 300k+ overtracked. You keep saying it's "impossible" but you've failed to provide me with reasons why. Why is it impossible based on their shipments? The sold/shipped gap was around 140k iirc. Now THAT is something impossible.