Ninsect said:
benji232 said:
Ninsect said:
benji232 said:
Ninsect said:
When did I say that it was likely overtracked by 500k+? I meant that it likely has 10 weeks of stock on shelves, which would be 500k+ or about 300-350k overtracked.
How is that factually impossible? You're looking at sales ratios from VGC, how does that in any way help you when we're talking about VGC itself overtracking?
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We already have the official NPD LTD from a leak last month which showed wiiU was overtracked by 75-100k. Then we have the official Japanese sales data every week from famitsu/mediacreate. And then for "others", well we can only look at Nintendo's own shipment numbers and see that it's impossible that it's overtracked by over 400k overthere. And I'm too lazy to go through this thread again, but when you were taking to someone, you said that 300k was a "conservative" number and that it was likely overtracked by 500k+. I'm telling you once again that it's factually impossible that it's overtracked by that much.
And I'm NOT using vgc data. I'm using Nintendo shipments/NPD/Mediacreate/famitsu.
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Well I meant that it likely has 500k+ on shelves, which suggests 300k+ overtracked. You keep saying it's "impossible" but you've failed to provide me with reasons why. Why is it impossible based on their shipments? The sold/shipped gap was around 140k iirc. Now THAT is something impossible.
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Nintendo shipped 1.73M wiiU systems in "others" territories which is mostly Europe. We have wiiU at 1.4m sold in Europe as of June 28th. Let's say there is another 100k systems sold in some of the smaller countries that aren't necesserely in Europe. That would mean there's about 200k+ systems on shelves in "others" territories which is mostly Europe (again), how could we have "others" overtracked by 200k+? Especially knowing that there is such a low amount of wiiU on storeshelves in Europe considering how badly it was doing last year and even saw a quarter where the shipments were negative overthere.
Then we have the Americas. We know that wiiU is overtracked by roughly 75-100k going by NPD. Then you have Japan where we get sales data every week so it's definetely not overtracked overthere.
Where is that 300k overtracked? I'm asking you the question.
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Now you're simplifying it. "others" is way more than just Europe. Only 100k sold in the rest of the world outside of US-Japan-Europe? Sorry, nope. Even PS4, which is a beast in Europe, only gets ~75% of its "others" sales from Europe. 100k out of 1.5m is less than 7% from "others" minus Europe (vs. PS4's being 25%). Yeah, nope.
And "Americas". You know NPD only tracks the US, right. That leaves the rest of the Americas.
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That doesn't make any sense. PS4 is selling great everywhere (except maybe Japan), this would mean that ROW will be much higher then wiiU. WiiU is bombing in the MAIN European territories, I mean it sold merely 350k in the UK. 100k ROW is more then generous for wiiU.
And yes, I am fully aware that NPD only tracks the US which represents 90% of all sales in the Americas. So obviously, if it's overtracked by only 75-100k in the US, it's probably overtracked by another 10k for the rest of the Americas.
Again, it wouldn't surprise me that wiiU stock is extremely low everywhere around the world except maybe in the Americas. We know that multiple retailers in Europe have stopped ordering wiiUs. Again, 250k-300k worldwide stock for wiiU wouldn't surprise me. That would mean 150k overtracked which makes a lot more sense then the 300k you're saying.
