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ALKO said:

ahahah there is still people believing at Ai fable??????

Seriously dude? You really need to slow down.

Answering your comment though, yes, there's still a lot of people believing that, probably the same bunch that believes the Cell is great for AI. And, at the end of this generation, they'll be "proven" correct, cause since the Cell is in fact good at everything else a game does (physics simulation, geometry manipulation, etc) there will be more room for AI elsewhere. So this fallacy that AI is a big portion of what a game spends time with isn't anywhere near dieing off.

Going back on topic though (and this is no longer a reply to ALKO), when thinking of computer graphics, people should keep in mind a theory regarding robots called the "Uncanny Valley". It's just a theory, with some evidence it's true, some evidence it's not. But it does explain a couple of things. One is that going for absolute realism, specially with humanoid characters, can work against you. One good example I think we'll see, and which I'm sure will surprise many, is the Wii's MySims. The imediate emotional response those childish characters can provoke, is massive when compared to its (not that) realistic brother Sims. That trailer brings instant smiles and cries of "oh, sooo sweat!" as no other Sims. And this isn't only for "kiddy" or "girly" games. Just take a look at the GTA cover art, and tell me if you wouldn't love it if there was a game with those graphics. Or with SinCity like graphics.

It's art direction that makes great looking graphics, not raw power. Yes, graphics power does go a long way helping with that. I should know, as I've worked closely with people doing pretty advanced (like publishable) stuff with non-photorealistic rendering, and I'm sure they'd just love the Cell to make their work real-time (wheras I know we wouldn't have when doing multi-agents programing of CS bots - yes, all this in school, how cool is that?). But it's always the art that matters the most.

And for a lot of art styles, the half a generation behind Wii is powerful enough. Just as the SNES was basically good enough for 2D platformers, puzzles and fighters. The HD version of Streetfighter will arguably be one of the best fighters this generation (it sure is the one I'd most like to play) but, besides online, it probably won't bring much more to the table than the fabulous jaw-dropping artwork to an already perfect formula. You know... redesigned sprites basically. Had the original been done with Flash-like vector graphics, and we'd already have a HD Streetfighter. Plus 2D games like NSMB and SPM are also doing pretty good, and looking just fine, thank you very much.



Reality has a Nintendo bias.
KruzeS said:

Seriously dude? You really need to slow down.

Answering your comment though, yes, there's still a lot of people believing that, probably the same bunch that believes the Cell is great for AI. And, at the end of this generation, they'll be "proven" correct, cause since the Cell is in fact good at everything else a game does (physics simulation, geometry manipulation, etc) there will be more room for AI elsewhere. So this fallacy that AI is a big portion of what a game spends time with isn't anywhere near dieing off.



NOW I really cant'see anything with "advanced AI" in game market.

you say MAYBE in the future.

 

but people like you really can't understand that people don't buy console NOW to play games in 4 YEARS!!!

people buy console NOW to play games NOW!!!

 

people like you often speaks about super mega graphics or AI...

 

but looking at 5 years future a see PC games at 1600x1200!!!(poor ps3/x360 at 1080...)

I see PC with 8giga ram!!!

I see cpu with more core ad programmers trained to program parallel processes.

then in the end I see advanced Ai.

 

but NOW

 

where is advanced AI...????

 

listen me pal!!!

Still to come!!!

http://mind.sourceforge.net/standard.html

 

 



ALKo think of it like this Wii = Pony, it can carry a full grown man Xbox 360 = A purebreed strong horse, also can carry a full grown man But if you put them in a race or a marathon the Pony will never ever be able to carry the man for that far.



ALKO said:

but people like you really can't understand that people don't buy console NOW to play games in 4 YEARS!!!

Man, I said this before, I'll say this again: slow down.

In case you didn't notice, "people like me", or more specifically me, were agreeing with you. I didn't say you were wrong, quite the opposite.

To finish my post, I'll take the time to quote you on something: "read before you post" (!!1one). Otherwise, there's no point answering your posts, either to agree or disagree with you.



Reality has a Nintendo bias.

KruzeS: Ithink that ALKO doesn't understand english well enough, just look how he misses the context. I have a reason to believe that ALKO is finnish. HappySquirrel: Since P3 and K7 could be used "more RISC like", meaning that they could pick only one part from the code (still the code being exactly the same). And my understanding is that when used that way, they couldn't reach their maximum processing power.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Oblivion on the Wii? It would look horrible and because of no hard-drive on the Wii and so little ram the load times would be horrible as well. Also it would have severe draw-in problems and pop-up because of the lack of ram. Physics and other things in the game would have to be scaled back or left out since even the next generation consoles (PS3 and Xbox 360) were put through paces with it. Better not to have game at all than ruin it. Wii is good with Wii Sports and other simple fun games lots to enjoy on Wii.

Oh person who post PC specs for Oblivion, ever play it like that, everything has to be turned low, it look very bad (like Playstation 1 game) and it is very choppy (many parts at 15 fps), not fun.



im sorry, but you cant justify comparing RE4 Pc Specs with Oblivion Specs. RE4 on the PC was a port of the heavily downgraded PS2 version of the game, not the Gamecube one. The Gamecube version looks much much better than the PC one.



Andrew said:
ALKo think of it like this Wii = Pony, it can carry a full grown man Xbox 360 = A purebreed strong horse, also can carry a full grown man But if you put them in a race or a marathon the Pony will never ever be able to carry the man for that far.

 yes!!!

right!!!!

 

ever heard of pony express???

 

 



KruzeS said:
ALKO said:

but people like you really can't understand that people don't buy console NOW to play games in 4 YEARS!!!

Man, I said this before, I'll say this again: slow down.

In case you didn't notice, "people like me", or more specifically me, were agreeing with you. I didn't say you were wrong, quite the opposite.

To finish my post, I'll take the time to quote you on something: "read before you post" (!!1one). Otherwise, there's no point answering your posts, either to agree or disagree with you.


 sorry my misunderstanding.



tk1989 said:
im sorry, but you cant justify comparing RE4 Pc Specs with Oblivion Specs. RE4 on the PC was a port of the heavily downgraded PS2 version of the game, not the Gamecube one. The Gamecube version looks much much better than the PC one.

 ok!

pc version ported from ps2 version needs a 2.4ghz cpu.

so...

minimum oblivion specs need a 2ghz cpu for pc.

in computational power a port to wii is possible. 

 

 

it's true there is a lack for hard disk.

nothing that a good programmer couldn't achive.

 

in graphics i think that ati gpu can run oblivion smooth...

it output 480p...so didn't need so many detailed scenes,heavier textures and so on.

 

what's the point of all this?????

 

 

that like in past good programmers make good games...

and portings too.

 

bad programmers mke bad games and bad portings too!!!