Well, yeah, some bosses require you to be at a  certain level or they'll annihilate you, but I was just responding to the "Not ever, not in any Final Fantasy or JRPG" part of your post.

Yes, an opinion is a statement. And I'm calling him out on it because I doubt he's played either game (especially since one hasn't come out yet).

So why don't you shut your mouth and walk away?

I'd accept an answer for Tiamat, or Lich, or any of those bosses, too, but I think we agree on this point

pretty much what I was trying to say

and about Chaos , he IS the final boss, he's simply all powerfull and whatnot

but the entire journey was fun, new enemies were fun, it made me guess what their weakness was, what I had to do to defeat them while losing as little health as possible

this isn't present in later FF games or most current jRPGs since all you do is grind..new mob? grind and weaker mobs till you can beat it

boss? grind at weaker mobs, since you KNOW you can never win

while before I was quite capable of managing and beat bosses without grinding (as in SERIOUSLY grinding, simply leveling once or twice or going out to buy some equips)

as for the dragon lord, I do not remember, that's for the class up right? I don't remember him that well

but Chaos did require or, could require an amount of grinding, if you do not use the proper equips and cast magic well enough to start defending

but even so Chaos didn't require too much of a grind to me, since I explore dungeons to find useful treasure, I usually do level up here and there

and using null all and other items that cast null effect as well as tempest and all those buffs, they helpes

my problem is most if not ALL bosses have become this way nowadays...

that used to be something reserved for the final boss

nowadays when I see a water boss, lightning is useless, it's not it's weakness

so nvm it

just keep on buffing those fighters and you will win for sure

no need to actually switch classes or find witch classes work best, why? since the damn game is soooo story driven and you get almost no hand in picking skills, the bosses are predestined to be defeated by those characters....so how to make the game hard?

grinding becomes >9000

Deathcape have you considered that if you're grinding that much in modern FFs that you're playing the games wrong? There's a reason people do low-level runs of these games, and FFIV is way more strategic than FFI ever was.

That's true, but I'm pretty sure that BrandonM was joking around. At least, I hope he was.

oh, I'm aware of FFIV taking alot of skill
but also alot of grinding
seriously..alot more grinding

but FFIV would have been a bad example of what I was trying to state: less custscenes (parts where people cannot play)
more choice (FFI classes, skills, FFII skill system, FFIII class system)

wich FFIV lacks..wich I see as going the wrong direction

sure, FFIV was fun
and I love the DS version to death

but it's not my favourite

mind you, I'm not bashing jRPGs....>_

FFIV didn't take that much grinding at all unless you weren't playing right! With skill it could be beaten at very low levels!

it required the use of proper elemental magic, knowing when to switch between magic and physical attacks, and when to use status magic on enemies.

Grinding wasn't that big a focus!

I'm aware of those aspects being quite important in the game, ofcourse...ugh I HATE reversal

the most annoying magic attack a boss can ever pull on you!

but still, grinding was needed

or else a boss could kill you in one single turn if you weren't lucky

that's it, end of story

nothing you could have done

go grind and get your stats up so you have a better chance at survival

some bosses made it so that no matter what approach you had, you would get rolled, untill you reached a certain level to be either fast enough or strong enough or intelligent enough to be able to use a proper strategy

that's really it... -__-

well, on the other hand..that's how FFIV DS made me feel

I can remember FFIV advance..and I do remember it was less of a grindfest

what I meant is: the  game playing itself for you

lots of cinematics, almost no gameplay etc etc

being able to influence the progress of your character (not the story per se, but more your character)

his or her attributes, skills, or class or being able to actually, idk

do something

like Symphonia had the tech/strike type. and you could pick who took part in battle

and you had to unlock skills through repeated use

it felt like each character was special, because you got to mold them into something you wanted and fit them into your style of play, rather than having a character hardwired a certain way with one or two choices here and there of minimal effect