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I never said I was for the companies. Also, I never said, I completly disapprove of hacking. Hacking is a great thing as long as it never goes public. Kudos goes to anyone that hacks, and helps the companies by alerting them of the noted loopholes.

What I find extreamly disturbing is that we have people hacking electronic devices, and takinging the jobs away from people. They get of completly free, while people that steal food to live, get tossed in jail and spat on by society. People that live completly clean lives, but enjoy drugs get thrown away do to possesion. In the US you get fined 100+ dollars for not wearing your seatbelt, and these hackers steal 60,000+ a year from 1000's of people and nothing. I can go on for days. There are somethings I am afraid to even question, that have zero harm, but are extreamly illegal.

I am not saying any of this to defend the companies. If the companies were just a machine, I would say do it, by all means hack the system for all of us. The truth is not that simple however. Whether it be music, movies, TV, Games, or books, there are peoples jobs at stake. Sadley, few people seem to care, and most will toss this aside as a mad rant.



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Kudistos Megistos said:

I'm not sure why people are saying that a firmware update will undo all the hacking. I'm under the impression that as soon as a system has been hacked once, it's relatively easy to get around the updates (i.e. it won't take another three years). Also (and I hope no-one was implying this), he isn't stupid enough to update his firmware in the middle of hacking. I bet his system's firmware hasn't been updated since he got it.

your right its not just the firmware. Its the very fact that even if he was able to have a 

"hack that say's HELLO to the Processor security"

does not mean it would allow anything more than just that.

saying HELLO is one thing , being able to exploit the hack more than that is something all together an beast all its own.

 



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slowmo said:
They'll struggle to find anything until the hack is public, by then it could be too late to stop it. Older none updated console prices might suddenly rise on the second hand market though, guess my 40GB isn't getting updated for now (don't play on PSN much anyway).

If there is a vulnerability its there because Sony don't know about it, they're unlikely to find it without any info of the hack getting made public.

I agree with your point.

Usless the hacker reveals the software that hacks the system it is not possible for the public to make use of it.

If he never reveals it then it's all theory.

The instant the software is released Sony can implement a patch.

If it is the same guy that hacks iphones then Apple fixes his hacks in a couple of days...sometimes less.

Apple also made a statement after one hack that it only affects an older version of the iphone OS so all that is necessary was an update that was already released.

Expect a massive rise in PS3 sales if this turns out like the x360, which I doubt it would.

We don't even know exactly what the hack does and what versions of PS3 software is affected. For all we know this hack could be only work on two or three year old PS3 software (as you very correctly pointed out).

I doubt there will be many of those that have not been updated lying around.

 



Vetteman94 said:
welshbloke said:
Two death threats in one post you could say this guy hit a nerve.

I am not sure what his legal position is but Apple do not seem able to silence him so I think it may not be as straightforward a prosecution case regardless of the country or judicial system employed.


Apple's situation was different, it was just allowing more people to get access to the phone and using it on other service providers. If anything more people bought the iPone because of this.

As for Sony this could cut deep into their pockets if people are able to pirate games since that is a major source of revenue for Sony. So any console they sold right now for pirating reasons would be sold at a complete loss with no possibilty of recouping it since they wont be buying software.  


I am not sure Apple would agree and they have certainly made every effort to put an end to it so I am sure if they had legal recourse they would of used it after all if they actually wanted people to use the phone on any network with any app then they would of made it that way.

Where as it certainly has dug into Microsofts pockets it has not stopped the system shifting many units of software. I still think the Blu Ray disc and the potential complexity of the hack will likely keep this to a minumum and even though the PS3 may of entered the hack race I believe it still is less vunerable than say the 360.



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welshbloke said:
Vetteman94 said:
welshbloke said:
Two death threats in one post you could say this guy hit a nerve.

I am not sure what his legal position is but Apple do not seem able to silence him so I think it may not be as straightforward a prosecution case regardless of the country or judicial system employed.


Apple's situation was different, it was just allowing more people to get access to the phone and using it on other service providers. If anything more people bought the iPone because of this.

As for Sony this could cut deep into their pockets if people are able to pirate games since that is a major source of revenue for Sony. So any console they sold right now for pirating reasons would be sold at a complete loss with no possibilty of recouping it since they wont be buying software.  


I am not sure Apple would agree and they have certainly made every effort to put an end to it so I am sure if they had legal recourse they would of used it after all if they actually wanted people to use the phone on any network with any app then they would of made it that way.

Where as it certainly has dug into Microsofts pockets it has not stopped the system shifting many units of software. I still think the Blu Ray disc and the potential complexity of the hack will likely keep this to a minumum and even though the PS3 may of entered the hack race I believe it still is less vunerable than say the 360.

The reason they couldnt make the phone able to work on other networks is because they signed an exclusive contract.  Thats why they didnt make it so it could.  I dont see more people buing the phone so they can use it on other networks as harmful to Apple,  Apple still sees the money from the sale, its the provider with the exclusive contract that loses out.

Could you imagine how much better a situaton Microsoft would be in if there was no piracy on their system,  I cant imagine what the attach rate would be.  They probably would have gotten to profitability much earlier than they have.



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I don't think most of you folks realize how the OS runs on PS3. For starters, the PS3 is not easily fooled like its sibling PSP. Sony has encrypted each hard drive to only work with a specific PS3, which eliminates the possibility of switching them out like memory sticks. The hard drive is then read by the PS3 where it makes sure the drive is registered to the specific console. After verifying the hard drive, the PS3 continues to search for needed files to boot up the OS. This is merely the logo that appears or random files hidden in the system that will trigger the “OK” to boot up. The hard drive is built in layers with the “bootflag.dat” being the first file read on each start up, which then leads into the DRM file and finally ... the game files. Several files found in between each of these makes things even more complicated to bypass. We must also note that messing with any of these files will cause the PS3 to read them as missing and not boot up correctly.

If you finally get past the hard drive, you must then face the problems hidden within the actual system itself. We all know the PS3 is a beast with a hearty 7 cells running under the hood as we brag about this on a daily basis. The problem for hackers is how only 6 of these cells are actually accessible, with the 7th cell access being denied to everyone. Not even game developers have access to this 7th cell. Now why is this cell even there if we can't use it? In a simple sentence, the 7th cell runs the PS3 completely on its own. The cell boots the system up, cracks the codes encrypted in all security branches, and finally keeps the OS running while you play a game or do whatever you normally do. The 7th cell is what verifies everything that needs to be unlocked or encrypted. The 7th cell basically double checks that everything in the PS3 actually belongs to the PS3, so users cannot trade hard drives or share illegal games without the cell noticing and denying access. With the exception of communicating with other cells, this cell cannot be written to or acknowledged by an outside source, making it completely secure from attacks.



disolitude said:
They can investigate all they want but they have no legal right to take any sort of action other than try to provide a patch to stop this. Even if the hack is distributed they can't take action, as long as its distributed for free.

Sony is prolly quick on their feet when it comes to hacking and piracy considering the debacle that the PSP was.

He's aiding piracy. That's illegal.

If, of course, he is aiding piracy, and not using his PS3 to power a Death Star or something.



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Kantor said:
disolitude said:
They can investigate all they want but they have no legal right to take any sort of action other than try to provide a patch to stop this. Even if the hack is distributed they can't take action, as long as its distributed for free.

Sony is prolly quick on their feet when it comes to hacking and piracy considering the debacle that the PSP was.

He's aiding piracy. That's illegal.

If you're right, it's a very strange law. It's like making it illegal to manufacture knives because it aids murder.

Methinks that the "laws", or results of legal cases, regarding console hacking would be very different if it weren't for the fact that hackers hardly ever have enough money to defend themselves in court. It certainly wouldn't be the case that console modders get convincted for doing things that allow people to commit the crime.



Kantor said:
disolitude said:
They can investigate all they want but they have no legal right to take any sort of action other than try to provide a patch to stop this. Even if the hack is distributed they can't take action, as long as its distributed for free.

Sony is prolly quick on their feet when it comes to hacking and piracy considering the debacle that the PSP was.

He's aiding piracy. That's illegal.

If, of course, he is aiding piracy, and not using his PS3 to power a Death Star or something.


Nah it isn't... Some countries have a law where its illegal to use hardware/software to circumvent copy protection (USA)...but Canada and many other parts of the world does not.

In australia you are more likely to go to trial for having a mod chip which allows you to play region protected backup of Left 4 Dead 2...with blood...then for making a pirated game. :)



I don't think there is much to worry about, they all have teams sitting around waiting for something like this to happen so they have something to do.