I'm sorry I guess stealing isn't morally bad anymore.  Well I guess, you could mean to discuss whether morals actually exist (subjective vs. objective), but it doesn't seem you could debate on such a tense philosophical discussion so it's doubtful this is what you were getting at.  Therefore it seems you have also made up your mind on the discussion as well, and that is your poblem too.  Now last I checked, contradictions aren't a logical way of arguing. 

I steal a ferrari and there is no more ferrari. I pirate a game and the game is still there. Your very first sentence is wrong, didn't read after that.

Welcome to a reason why big production titles are tending to gravitate away from the PC to consoles.

You make a model of a car to sell to a company.  I come to your house, take the plans for the model, and sell it as my own.  Your model is still there.  But by your understanding of the matter, nothing is wrong with that. 

And of course you wouldn't read the rest.  As I stated, I knew you wouldn't be capable of taking this to a deep philosophical level, which a morality discussion is, but instead would rely on "other" things which can be easily put down.

Pirates don't make any money.

Also there is no point in arguing about this philosophically when your base assumptions are wrong.

Edit: Actually you described exactly what used gaming is like, not piracy.

True but hey, i guess the world isn't perfect as we would like it to be right? I've already bought the game through my local game dealer which didn't stop me downloading the game just to be rid of all the securoms, gfwl's, drm and other crap.

Besides that you have to rue the system that we created ourselves that allows us to reach out for easy pickings.It's human nature and no amount of self holding to a higher decency level will change it.

edit:although i do agree with you in general. Good thing that most pirates even if they dl the game decide to purchase it later. Being on the right forums you can find out that most treat the dl as a demo to judge and later purchase a retail copy, question is, is that wrong?

Stealing and pirating are not the same thing. Both are wrong but one is more-so by an order of magnitude. Theft involves removing property not making a duplicate of it.

That said I've got the game on order, and the torrent running in the background. SecuROM is nothing but a virus/spyware. I got rooted by Sony back in the day just for putting a music CD in my computer, not gonna make that mistake again.

However, piracy is damaging PC gaming.

And neither does your design for a car. 

There is also no point in arguing this when you refuse to actually put your opinions up to ACTUAL critique of others.  Words of wisdom for the not so open, don't enter an argument if you don't want someone to argue what you have to say.  It's not logical nor is it something anyone else will ever look highly upon.  If you want to have your opinions taken seriously, you need to let them come under intense, analytical critique by others.  Simply playing the role of a fort defense, and being damage control doesn't get you anywhere, but just makes your overall argument look weak.  It's not hard to tell just by the way you've said things in the rest of the topic, and other posts, that I was able to easily identify this in my response to you and use it against you.  Pay attention a little... it might help. 

No the world is definitely not perfect... but it could be if we tried haha.  Or at least better than it is.  And well I'm not going to get into a discussion of what human nature is, but just a little food for thought (is it really our human nature or just what is ingrained into us to believe.  Nurture verus nature is another very interesting philosohpical discussion that wore me out in my philosophy and political theory classes haha. 

But what I always say, if you don't like the service being provided for you, then you don't have to buy it.  That's our capitalist system and it works well.  If you still want to be involved but don't want to have to pay, then you are in the wrong setup and in this society that is looked down upon.  I'd like to think that my working hard at school and my job means something than some kids in their basement exploiting the system because they are too lazy to get off their buts.  But maybe that's just the southern USA way of looking at things... don't know how things work around the rest of the country or world to tell ya the truth. 

LOL i noticed