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theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:

Whats the obvious part, because obviously I missed it?

We have 3+ years of evidence saying the market wanted motion controls, and you question it.  It blows my mind.


I'm questioning whether it was good for the industry or not.  I dont think it was.  Just because Nintendo is doing well doesnt mean the industry is doing well.  Making a console so completely different from the others made software developers have to focus on 2 completely different setups.  This was not a problem last gen with all 3 consoles being very similar, where only minor tweaks needed for each console.   Now I am not saying that Nintendo is completely to blame here,  alot of these developers made bad decisions with game development.  I am just saying that Nintendo can also be blamed despite their financial situation being as good as it is. 



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Vetteman94 said:
theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:

Whats the obvious part, because obviously I missed it?

We have 3+ years of evidence saying the market wanted motion controls, and you question it.  It blows my mind.


I'm questioning whether it was good for the industry or not.  I dont think it was.  Just because Nintendo is doing well doesnt mean the industry is doing well.  Making a console so completely different from the others made software developers have to focus on 2 completely different setups.  This was not a problem last gen with all 3 consoles being very similar, where only minor tweaks needed for each console.   Now I am not saying that Nintendo is completely to blame here,  alot of these developers made bad decisions with game development.  I am just saying that Nintendo can also be blamed despite their financial situation being as good as it is. 

If Nintendo had done what everyone else was doing, how would it make all these companies profitable?  It wouldn't.  The industry would just be losing even more money.  It would be even worse for the industry.



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Vetteman94 said:
theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:

Whats the obvious part, because obviously I missed it?

We have 3+ years of evidence saying the market wanted motion controls, and you question it.  It blows my mind.


I'm questioning whether it was good for the industry or not.  I dont think it was.  Just because Nintendo is doing well doesnt mean the industry is doing well.  Making a console so completely different from the others made software developers have to focus on 2 completely different setups.  This was not a problem last gen with all 3 consoles being very similar, where only minor tweaks needed for each console.   Now I am not saying that Nintendo is completely to blame here,  alot of these developers made bad decisions with game development.  I am just saying that Nintendo can also be blamed despite their financial situation being as good as it is. 

How is giving the industry more customers than it's ever had before bad for them?



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theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:
theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:

Whats the obvious part, because obviously I missed it?

We have 3+ years of evidence saying the market wanted motion controls, and you question it.  It blows my mind.


I'm questioning whether it was good for the industry or not.  I dont think it was.  Just because Nintendo is doing well doesnt mean the industry is doing well.  Making a console so completely different from the others made software developers have to focus on 2 completely different setups.  This was not a problem last gen with all 3 consoles being very similar, where only minor tweaks needed for each console.   Now I am not saying that Nintendo is completely to blame here,  alot of these developers made bad decisions with game development.  I am just saying that Nintendo can also be blamed despite their financial situation being as good as it is. 

If Nintendo had done what everyone else was doing, how would it make all these companies profitable?  It wouldn't.  The industry would just be losing even more money.  It would be even worse for the industry.


The industry would lose even more money or even get worse?   How,  for starters you wouldnt see all this shovelware crap being pushed out left and right.  Not to mention those high budget games that people claim are destroying the industry, the ones that alot of Nintendo fans want but seem to refuse getting a console that actually has them, would probably then get releases on Nintendo platforms and see good sales from it as well.   Selling to a bigger install base would make reaching profitablilty much easier to achieve. 



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RVDondaPC said:
gaming_addict24 said:
RVDondaPC said:
gaming_addict24 said:
stof said:
Then you should have read it RVDondaPC, because that's not what he was showing with the graph. He was using the graph to show that despite declines this year, Game sales are still at near all time high levels. He's not saying sales are declining. He's saying that despite huge sales, developers are in trouble.

And he's right. If games are selling so phenomenally well, why is it that so many companies have closed down and so many people have been laid off? Try reading it. It's a good read.


its the ECONOMY!!!!!!!

not this guys logic.

that is why companies are going bankrupt the ECONOMY!!!!!!!!

It's not the economy, it's poor management. He is using the closure of developers as a sign of hurt in the industry. But that is wrong. The industry is changing and that reveals which companies are well managed and can adapt and which companies are poorly managed and will fail. The only thing that effects the health of an industry is the demand from the consumer and it is at an all time high. Great companies will take advantage of this shift and bad companies will fail. Leaving an industry of well managed companies which will make the industry prosper greatly. 

The dynamics of the demand from customers is growing. The demand for super high budget blockbusters are growing and the demand for cheap downloadable games are also growing. If a company makes a poor decision in it's ability to develop a high budget game without being able to make a game that will sell then that company will go under. But the investment capital in the industry will not disappear it will just be moved around from one company to the next. This industry is growing and prospering like never before. The failure of a company in a growing industry only fertilizes the industry for a better company to take it's place. 

wow i dont know what planet you live on but on planet earth the economy is really bad and its made 100s of companies go bankrupt.

Yes. It has. But has it made a well managed company go bankrupt? No it has not. It made the poorly managed companies go bankrupt. What happened to the well managed companies? They have been acquiring assets at rock bottom prices for the past year which will lead to tremendous growth and prosperity for those well managed companies and the industries as a whole. 


sony lost billions of dollars because of this damn economy.

thats why they had to fire so many peope (1000s)

because of the ECONOMY!!

and sony is like the biggest electronics company in the world

They may have lost a lot of money (for various reasons including the economy) but did they go bankrupt? No they did not. Are they still in a position of power in the market place? Yes they are. Has the market lost some poorly ran competitors freeing up the market space for companies like Sony to capitalize on it? Yes it has. 



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Pyro as Bill said:
Vetteman94 said:
theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:

Whats the obvious part, because obviously I missed it?

We have 3+ years of evidence saying the market wanted motion controls, and you question it.  It blows my mind.


I'm questioning whether it was good for the industry or not.  I dont think it was.  Just because Nintendo is doing well doesnt mean the industry is doing well.  Making a console so completely different from the others made software developers have to focus on 2 completely different setups.  This was not a problem last gen with all 3 consoles being very similar, where only minor tweaks needed for each console.   Now I am not saying that Nintendo is completely to blame here,  alot of these developers made bad decisions with game development.  I am just saying that Nintendo can also be blamed despite their financial situation being as good as it is. 

How is giving the industry more customers than it's ever had before bad for them?

Well maybe for starters that the industry is hurting pretty bad right now?  

Dont get me wrong adding new customers are great, but are they the kind of customers that keep the industry alive and kicking by constantly supporting it and buying new games on a regular basis?   No, they arent



RVDondaPC said:

They may have lost a lot of money (for various reasons including the economy) but did they go bankrupt? No they did not. Are they still in a position of power in the market place? Yes they are. Has the market lost some poorly ran competitors freeing up the market space for companies like Sony to capitalize on it? Yes it has. 

This is not terribly on-topic, but how is Sony in a position of power in the market place? They have a minority of market share in every significant market segment... TVs, gaming, phones, music players, you name it.

 



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Vetteman94 said:
Pyro as Bill said:
Vetteman94 said:
theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:

Whats the obvious part, because obviously I missed it?

We have 3+ years of evidence saying the market wanted motion controls, and you question it.  It blows my mind.


I'm questioning whether it was good for the industry or not.  I dont think it was.  Just because Nintendo is doing well doesnt mean the industry is doing well.  Making a console so completely different from the others made software developers have to focus on 2 completely different setups.  This was not a problem last gen with all 3 consoles being very similar, where only minor tweaks needed for each console.   Now I am not saying that Nintendo is completely to blame here,  alot of these developers made bad decisions with game development.  I am just saying that Nintendo can also be blamed despite their financial situation being as good as it is. 

How is giving the industry more customers than it's ever had before bad for them?

Well maybe for starters that the industry is hurting pretty bad right now?  

Dont get me wrong adding new customers are great, but are they the kind of customers that keep the industry alive and kicking by constantly supporting it and buying new games on a regular basis?   No, they arent

Fun fact: Wii's software attachment rate is on par with the PS3's. 



Big companies fall, and they fall hard. Look at Atari, Sega or the now defunct Midway... it always happened, and the game industry still went on. its not dieing, its simply changing, and thats the way it should be



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Vetteman94 said:
theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:
theRepublic said:
Vetteman94 said:

Whats the obvious part, because obviously I missed it?

We have 3+ years of evidence saying the market wanted motion controls, and you question it.  It blows my mind.


I'm questioning whether it was good for the industry or not.  I dont think it was.  Just because Nintendo is doing well doesnt mean the industry is doing well.  Making a console so completely different from the others made software developers have to focus on 2 completely different setups.  This was not a problem last gen with all 3 consoles being very similar, where only minor tweaks needed for each console.   Now I am not saying that Nintendo is completely to blame here,  alot of these developers made bad decisions with game development.  I am just saying that Nintendo can also be blamed despite their financial situation being as good as it is. 

If Nintendo had done what everyone else was doing, how would it make all these companies profitable?  It wouldn't.  The industry would just be losing even more money.  It would be even worse for the industry.


The industry would lose even more money or even get worse?   How,  for starters you wouldnt see all this shovelware crap being pushed out left and right.  Not to mention those high budget games that people claim are destroying the industry, the ones that alot of Nintendo fans want but seem to refuse getting a console that actually has them, would probably then get releases on Nintendo platforms and see good sales from it as well.   Selling to a bigger install base would make reaching profitablilty much easier to achieve. 

Shovelware isn't the problem.  As despicable as the practice is, they spend so little money on development that the initial shipment is able to make a profit.  It is the big budget stuff that fails to live up to sales expectations that are the problem.

How would the industry be losing even more money?  If you take away Nintendo's profits, and replace it with what Microsoft and Sony have been doing (big losses), there is no way a third console to port a game to will make up for those missing Nintendo profits and it will not bring third parties to profitability.  Besides, if Nintendo had gone this route, they would not have sold as many consoles, so the install base wouldn't be that large anyway.  In fact, the total number of consoles sold up to this point would likely be much lower.

Did you pay attention to the article, or are you just ignoring it and hoping it will all go away like most people in this thread?  The process of ever increasing development costs coupled with relatively stagnant game prices results in decreasing profit margins.  The same thing has been occurring for years and years and years.  The only difference this gen is that those profit margins have finally shrunk so small that they are now negative.



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