The market leader usually has the majority of marketshare. This gen, the Wii has lesser market share then the HD 'Twins', which coincidentally have a big "core" market, and also share the majority of there libraries.

Nintendo aren't solely to blame, but a large part of the blame lies on there shoulders. And i stand by that the marketting for Wii, is what has given it the lead but has also given it that audience that don't care for the big core 3rd party titles.

You aren't a fan of moneyhatting, i don't know all that many people who ARE fans of it... But if it gets you the goods, it is surely something to do. Microsoft have had no problem showing the cash this gen and they have stolen a HUGE piece of marketshare from Sony. While it isn't exactly the best thing to do... It provides results. And when you have piles of cash like Nintendo, it's not too much trouble to use some of it.

People are supporting the Wii though, just not with the titles the majority of "core" gamers want. And again... Why should they? They get VERY good sales on PS360 for a whole bunch of the games. PS360 have greater (and growing) marketshare. PS360 don't have a whole bunch of shovelware. PS360 have proven to have the market to support these kind of games.

As for Ubisoft, it was going to happen eventually to one of the big names. There is only so much market on the Wii that will buy party games and other random shovelware. But then... What if it happens to other big companies? Lack of shovelware (good), and a continued lack of core support(bad)? What then? What if NMH2 doesn't even reach the 500k expeced mark? Will that push Ubisoft even further away?

The bigger install base isn't seen as the Wii, it is seen as the (as the industry puts it)... "HD Twins". Which have a greater market share than Wii, and also share a whole bunch of the same "core" fanbase.

The bigger install base isn't seen as the Wii, it is seen as the (as the industry puts it)... "HD Twins". Which have a greater market share than Wii, and also share a whole bunch of the same "core" fanbase.

Those 3 games would have done blockbuster numbers on an HD console? Also Wii is dangerously close to 50% marketshare does that matter? Probably not. Wii could have 60% and I doubt the situation would be any different. Also if developing for PS360 was so profitable why are studios closing down after 1 flop and larger devs are posting record losses? And if NMH1 was such a flop why on earth would there be a sequel?

Every third party game you find on Wii to "prove your point" will ultimately only prove mine ; )

What big, core third party titles?  Resident Evil 4?  Monster Hunter 3?  Call of Duty?

What big, core third party title performed so poorly?  I can't seem to recall one.  I know quite a few low budget, niche third party games which underperformed according to this forum, but I'm not sure what games you are talking about.

You're making the mistake in not taking into account multiple console ownership. Even ignoring that, like others have stated the Wii could have the same market share as the PS2 and would still have the same support. We have already pointed out the many flaws in your argument, so if you do not wish to revise it I don't see a point in continuing this argument.

Not possible to prove it... So it's pointless asking me. But another thing... They wouldn't be an a "console", they would be on multiple consoles, PS3 AND 360. Your exact words - "name for me a quality 3rd party core game that has struggled to reach a million"... And i gave you 3. Point proven.

Obviously it does matter. PS360 have the larger "core" userbase, and the majority of marketshare. Thus the developers will stay with them.

I never said it was profitable. I said that's where the main "core" userbase is. And i think they are much more likely to get a big hit (and profit) on PS360 than on Wii, simply because of that said market.

I never called NMH1 a flop. Stop trying to twist my words. I said they expect NMH to do 500k, which is true. But hey, it is funny how you don't have any answers for my questions...

What is your point exactly?

You're making the mistake in not taking into account multiple console ownership. Even ignoring that, like others have stated the Wii could have the same market share as the PS2 and would still have the same support. We have already pointed out the many flaws in your argument, so if you do not wish to revise it I don't see a point in continuing this argument.

You do realise that those FIVE games you just gave me ammount to total sales of just over SIX Million?