If you feel youre one of them take a pick last place maybe or the need to troll a Wii forum discussing the fracked up behaviour from 3rd parties against wii owners? what ever floats your boat, either way you guys have nothing in this thread since your not contributing or even own a wii

I salute you sir for this. No, seriously, I do: I always appreciate it when someone presents a factually true yet highly incomplete picture and then uses it to warp things to support his argument.

Now tell me: out of the top 30 selling games worldwide for all platforms this generation, how many have Mario or Sonic in them?

Ten. Ten out of the top thirty selling games on all platforms worldwide have Mario or Sonic in them.

Of the remaining twenty, five (5) are Wii ___ games, and nine (9) are mini-game compilations. Three are PC games.

Again, all platforms worldwide this generation.

So as I said, well done! It seems like no one else has pointed out your sleight of hand so far, and I applaud your no-doubt deliberate use of this logical fallacy in the furtherance of your viewpoint.

 All of those games are, yes. But many other games are not. I'm looking at one right now (Baroque), and I'm not even staring at my collection.

 With the exception of Lego Star Wars, yes they have, in comparison to how they bought those games' prequels (when applicable) and predecessors (when not).

Seriously dude, you should know this, you're on a sales site.

 I would never have guessed.

 I dunno, let's ask Call of Duty 3 (PS3 version) if selling under a million (and worse than the Wii version!) stopped them from making a sequel for that system and "loosing" more money.

Well shit, I guess the answer is no!

 You're missing the forest for the trees, dude.

You see, when a Wii owner complains about the quality of third-party offerings, he/she is complaining about just that: the quality of third-party offerings. Most of them are not, in fact, actually clamoring to get HD games directly ported to the Wii, although their inability to express themselves often makes it sound like this is what they're asking for.

No, what they want is for third-parties to put their A-teams behind Wii projects to make Wii games. You know, rather than forming a new studio to make Wii games and stuffing it with new employees, put an experienced, capable, and proven team behind the Wii game. Less spinoffs of spinoffs, and more flagship efforts. When choosing specific studios to develop the game, try a little less Tose and a little more Team Ninja. That sort of thing.

 I'd rhetorically ask if that's an unreasonable thing to expect for the market leader, but we both know I'd be wasting my time.

 I'm now so very confused. Do we hate Nintendo because they're just doing more of the same, or do we hate them because they're doing something new and different? I'm cool either way, I just wish you folks would give me the policy statement before I go making hullaballoos in the street.

 Miyamoto had a hand in the development. Likely for the worse, though.

You're at your best when you're pointing at data, and at your worst when you're playing the hurt fanboy.

Also, your sarcasm needs lots of work.

Alas, phenomenon > noumenon in common people's opinion

I thought I would like to put my two cents in:

I, personally, am not terribly upset with these new announcements of third parties pulling support from the Wii. I am more apathetic-- and that is because when someone like Ubisoft says they are going to release fewer games on the Wii I look at my collection and see that I didn't buy any of there games, so no big loss for me.

However, what irks me is when companies claim they tried to put out good games, and then blame the customers for there games not selling.

First, how is it the customers fault that your games aren't selling? Seriously, these companies need to look at the situation and see why the game isn't selling: is the game niche, just bad, lacking in content, no advertising, whatever. Blaming the customer for not getting it is usually a sign that the company is about to go under.

Second, where is this support they keep claiming they did? EA publishes MW two years after the game came out with no advertising (and then puts MW2 on every platform, including a DS version, except for the Wii). Several companies put third rate efforts on the Wii and then told owners 'this is a test game, buy it and we will give you the real thing' (Capcom was one of the worst offenders in this area). But why should I buy a crappy game?

Using Capcom and their Resident Evil franchise as an example, Capcom put out two games: RE4 and RE:UC and told people they were test games to see if the audience was there. Both games sold over a million. What did Capcom do after this? Capcom then gives Wii owners another on rails shooter (a genre that has never been big, and the Wii has a ton of those games anyway). Why didn't they put a new game in the vain of RE4 on the system? RE4 sold over a million-- it was supposedly one of the test games, and obviously demand is on the Wii for such games. Then, when RE:DC doesn't sell as well as the original, Capcom claims that 'core' games can't sell on the Wii. Here is an idea: put a core game on the Wii before you claim that.

To sum up: I am apathetic about getting less third party support (because that means less crap on the shelf, and less companies complaining about there third string games not selling-- which is somehow my fault when they release crap).
I get annoyed when companies say that they tried and that the audience just isn't there considering I can't think of any company that did try, save for HVS (while the Conduit was an OK game, it had several problems-- but I can't wait for the Grinder), and the upcoming MH3 (which I think is a Capcom game, so this will be there first serious attempt-- over 3 years into the console life).

Hmmm, maybe its because after 3 years on the market, the Wii still has yet to see a AAA game from anyone other than Nintendo? Maybe that has something to do with it.....

Dead Space v Extraction
RE5 v Umbrella/Darkside Chronicles
Modern Warfare 2 v COD Reflex

I was asking myself the same...

Instead the naughtiness of PC gamers against consoles, now that appals me!!! 

Very Good Post Sir. I am Arius Dion and I approve this message

"What do we have to be bitter about ?"

You keep trying to put the Wii down. If you were happy with the PS3 versus the Wii, you wouldn't do that (same as we aren't happy about Wii third party support).

There are two false assumptions being passed around in this thread that should die; number one is thinking that no 3rd party core game will ever sell on the Wii if given a chance and number two is the tendency to portray 3rd parties as companies that do nothing but lose money on HD consoles.