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Euphoria14 on 17 January 2010
vaio said:
Euphoria14 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe if these Wii owners bought Metroid Prime more than they did when it was released years ago third parties would have made them since they would have seen a big audience for it,"

That's just an excuse. Metroid Prime was not an FPS. That's like saying Zelda is GTA.

Fine then, tell Nintendo to make/get you a FPS.

They can get it for you if they really want to. We all know these companies will take the money.

Why so u guys can go on bitching about only Nintendo games sell?

and

why should Nintendo have to do everything themselves?

Don't you go lumping me in with that crowd. I have never bitched about any such thing.



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LordTheNightKnight on 17 January 2010

"games with similar technical abilities to the games they made 10 years ago"

The PSP is still around, and they make those games for those systems and not the Wii. So the sacrificing vision and scope argument is false, and you didn't do any real research.



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steverhcp02 on 17 January 2010
vaio said:
steverhcp02 said:
richardhutnik said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Ail said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Right, you could pull off Assassins creed without a living breathing city and massive landscapes and combat."

San Andreas had all those things. While that's too much for the PS1, it's not too much for the Wii, so all that gets sacrificed is an expensive coat of paint.

Have you played AC2 ?

You can climb every single building and move from top to top..

You can not interact with any San Andreas building, they are just blocks with shiny texture on top...

1. That was not among the things you listed.

2. Again, that was on the PS2, which the Wii would have room to add such abilities, even if it would have been too much on the PS2.

Couldn't you climb on top of the buildings in Spiderman 2 on the PS2, and also interact with the city?

Never played it but probably. But again, is this what the people bitching want? They want a game that was done 7 years ago? Whats the point in buying NEW games when theyve been done almost a decade ago?

now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, if you could make a game like that 7 years ago with a lesser console then why cant you make a new game with those features with the wii 7 years later? or atleast try to make one before complaining that your games dont sell on that platform.

As I said before all wii owners want is a serious effort from theese big corps nothing else and if that serious effort doesnt work out then atleast I will stop bitching and enjoy my Nintendo games but untill then i will bitch.

Heres my question for you then. Why would these companies make a "serious" effort that goes completely away from what the console itself is. By this i mean its CLEAR the audience and owners of the Wii are vastly dominated by folks who dont really give two shits about what youre argueing. The wii just had the most successful month i can remember without the stuff youre asking, this alone points to WHY this isnt being done.




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gekkokamen on 17 January 2010

We know third parties have had big exclusives before for any console not named Nintendo. Will we see the day when either a reknown franchise sequel, or highly anticipated game from a third-party developer is made exclusive for the Wii? Will Rockstar do it? Would Hideo Kojima do it? Will Bioware be the first? Who is most likely to take their precious new/old franchise and spend the big bucks in both developing and marketing to make a exclusive for the Wii? Does Nintendo even give a damn?



vaio on 17 January 2010
steverhcp02 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

well to be fair u cant have a game on that list if its not made yet so u using that list is just not relevant now is it?

Well, email Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Rockstar, etc. and tell them they should start pumping out games with similar technical abilities to the games they made 10 years ago, maybe youll get a response.

thats just bullshit and trolling, the wii is stronger then the PS2 and games could easaly be made with alot of progress since then, not as much as on the HD twins but still a big progress



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steverhcp02 on 17 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
"games with similar technical abilities to the games they made 10 years ago"

The PSP is still around, and they make those games for those systems and not the Wii. So the sacrificing vision and scope argument is false, and you didn't do any real research.

Yeah, look how quality AC: Bloodlines is.




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Carl on 17 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

At the level when it showed they preferred those games over everything else.

And Monster Hunter 3 shows the vision can still be done, just with more imagination and talent than just thinking you need the best graphics.

They obviously are still prefering and wanting those type of games. The rest of the top 50 is just as bad.

Monster Hunter 3 is a huge, huge game. After the massive success of the games on PSP, 1 Million was all but guarenteed. It's surprising that it took so long to reach 1 Million IMO. And Monster Hunter 3 is one of the best looking Wii games out right now...



                            

_honeybadger_ on 17 January 2010
steverhcp02 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Ail said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Right, you could pull off Assassins creed without a living breathing city and massive landscapes and combat."

San Andreas had all those things. While that's too much for the PS1, it's not too much for the Wii, so all that gets sacrificed is an expensive coat of paint.

Have you played AC2 ?

You can climb every single building and move from top to top..

You can not interact with any San Andreas building, they are just blocks with shiny texture on top...

1. That was not among the things you listed.

2. Again, that was on the PS2, which the Wii would have room to add such abilities, even if it would have been too much on the PS2.

But thats what youre missing! The things that make the games what they ARE at their core simply cant be done on the wii. Look at the PSP version of assassins creed. Regardless of sales the sacrifice in what made the franchise what it was, the environment, the scope, scale, size, button mapping totally ruin it.

Seriously, if the best argument you have is, the games on the PS2 can be done on the wii, then why not play a PS2? Why do you insist that devs spend time an dmoney making games that have ALREADY BEEN DONE 7 years ago? That would be acceptable to you?

Didnt you heard the WII exist in a Vacuum and deserves respect for selling more than all the other consoles and this respect should be represented with 3rd party games that are currently made for PC/360/PS3. However the few WII forums fighters want developers to unlearn all the latest techniques and abilities they have gathered and make games accomodating 10 year old technology (ps2) and Motion Controlers.

 

Go nintendo forums fighters your pathetic bitter tears wont stop.



steverhcp02 on 17 January 2010
vaio said:
steverhcp02 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

well to be fair u cant have a game on that list if its not made yet so u using that list is just not relevant now is it?

Well, email Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Rockstar, etc. and tell them they should start pumping out games with similar technical abilities to the games they made 10 years ago, maybe youll get a response.

thats just bullshit and trolling, the wii is stronger then the PS2 and games could easaly be made with alot of progress since then, not as much as on the HD twins but still a big progress

Its not trolling, i listed games that exist in todays market, even if the wii produced more tech. prowess than the PS2 its still being released in a market dominated by the games i mentioned, thus regressing.




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vaio on 17 January 2010
Euphoria14 said:
vaio said:
Euphoria14 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe if these Wii owners bought Metroid Prime more than they did when it was released years ago third parties would have made them since they would have seen a big audience for it,"

That's just an excuse. Metroid Prime was not an FPS. That's like saying Zelda is GTA.

Fine then, tell Nintendo to make/get you a FPS.

They can get it for you if they really want to. We all know these companies will take the money.

Why so u guys can go on bitching about only Nintendo games sell?

and

why should Nintendo have to do everything themselves?

Don't you go lumping me in with that crowd. I have never bitched about any such thing.

Sorry meant no offense I was speaking in general terms there.



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Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

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Is marijuana the best medicine?

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“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.