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arsenicazure said:
The OP is a total fanboy... who cares if tekken saw a 360 release. If you like the game you'll play it, even if it is on the 360. To dislike a game just because its on a competing platform is juvenile. Hell I want every game released to be multiplat.. even Mario!

Didn't I already say I first played Tekken 6 on the 360, and enjoyed it, as I was able to translate every combo I knew in Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection over to Tekken 6 on 360?  Didn't I also say I don't care if Tekken, or hell, even Uncharted 2 (if it were possible) were multi-platform as LONG as it didn't hurt my experience in the end?

In case you missed it, I'm saying it again, I don't care which games are multi-plat as LONG as they dont gimp the game unless the version being gimped is the version that can't support the full game.

And btw, you "if you like the game, you'll play it" statement is total bull shit, I don't like Tekken 6, however, I don't believe in trading, or selling my games, so, I still play it and make the best of it, I only want future games to not suffer the same fate as Tekken 6.  Next time take the time to read the thread to a full understanding, or keep comments like that to yourself.  I have a 360, I don't hate it, I just don't prefer it.  Hell, I played DJ hero (don't like it) last week.  And played Gears of War 2 over a friends house (liked that one a lot) and Smash Brothers Brawl.. Although I cant get into that game because I'm so noob at it.  I also played Some megaman game...  I think it was ZX, or something.

Lastly, Tekken is an exception to the 360 release thing, because it effects the PS3 owners directly, if it didn't have any effect what-so-ever, I wouldn't care if it was released on Wii-DS-360-Zeebo and Onlive.



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Slimebeast said:
Xoj said:
Slimebeast said:
Xoj said:
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KBG29 said:
I agree with the OP. Third party games this gen are terrible. SCEWWS have set there games so far ahead of the competition that it makes third party games look like a joke. Since third parties are not interested in even competing with Sony, or Microsoft for that matter, I see no reason to purchase there games.

However, I will be getting Splinter Cell Conviction, Final Fantasy XIII Vs, and Agent. Those games are being made correctly, and actually being built for the console.

To me multiplatform games are like putting on shoes 2 sizes to small, and on the wrong feet.

You gotta be kidding...

Fallout 3
Assassin's Creed I & II
Oblivion
Call of Duty 4 & 5 & 6
Bioshock
Dragon Age
GTA4
Resident Evil 5
Batman: AA

etc...

i don think h means sales, but the amount of polish sony games have this gen it's impressive.

graphics wise especially, and also not tons of bugs

I didn't mean sales either. I'm talking quality.

then neither look as good as sony games sorry, RE5 and AC 2 at most, but then this year games are leaps forward.

Seriously, do you actually agree with him? That Sony "makes third party games look like a joke".

That KillZone2 is so incredible that it makes Modern Warfare look like a joke?

Uncharted 2 is so incredible that it makes Assassin's Creed II look like a joke?

Demon's Souls is so incredible that it makes Oblivion look like a joke?

Valkyria Chronicles is so incredible that it makes Dragon Age look like a joke?

MGS4 is so incredible that it makes Resi 5 look like a joke?

Infamous is so incredible that it makes GTA4 look like a joke?

Uncharted 2 makes Ass_ass_in's Creed II look like a joke.

Demon's Souls cannot be compared to Oblivion, so you fail.

Valkyria Chronicles cannot be compared to Dragon Age, so you fail again.

MGS4 again cannot be compared to Resident Evil 5, so you fail.

Infamous is a bit too short.  The only thing to do in GTA4 is go around, shoot citizens/cops/helicopters, jump off of helicopters, strip club, etc...  It gets boring after a while so you can't say GTA4 is awesome.  Neither is Infamous.  So what was the point of your question?



phnguyen89 said:
Slimebeast said:
Xoj said:
Slimebeast said:
Xoj said:
Slimebeast said:
KBG29 said:
I agree with the OP. Third party games this gen are terrible. SCEWWS have set there games so far ahead of the competition that it makes third party games look like a joke. Since third parties are not interested in even competing with Sony, or Microsoft for that matter, I see no reason to purchase there games.

However, I will be getting Splinter Cell Conviction, Final Fantasy XIII Vs, and Agent. Those games are being made correctly, and actually being built for the console.

To me multiplatform games are like putting on shoes 2 sizes to small, and on the wrong feet.

You gotta be kidding...

Fallout 3
Assassin's Creed I & II
Oblivion
Call of Duty 4 & 5 & 6
Bioshock
Dragon Age
GTA4
Resident Evil 5
Batman: AA

etc...

i don think h means sales, but the amount of polish sony games have this gen it's impressive.

graphics wise especially, and also not tons of bugs

I didn't mean sales either. I'm talking quality.

then neither look as good as sony games sorry, RE5 and AC 2 at most, but then this year games are leaps forward.

Seriously, do you actually agree with him? That Sony "makes third party games look like a joke".

That KillZone2 is so incredible that it makes Modern Warfare look like a joke?

Uncharted 2 is so incredible that it makes Assassin's Creed II look like a joke?

Demon's Souls is so incredible that it makes Oblivion look like a joke?

Valkyria Chronicles is so incredible that it makes Dragon Age look like a joke?

MGS4 is so incredible that it makes Resi 5 look like a joke?

Infamous is so incredible that it makes GTA4 look like a joke?

Uncharted 2 makes Ass_ass_in's Creed II look like a joke.

Demon's Souls cannot be compared to Oblivion, so you fail.

Valkyria Chronicles cannot be compared to Dragon Age, so you fail again.

MGS4 again cannot be compared to Resident Evil 5, so you fail.

Infamous is a bit too short.  The only thing to do in GTA4 is go around, shoot citizens/cops/helicopters, jump off of helicopters, strip club, etc...  It gets boring after a while so you can't say GTA4 is awesome.  Neither is Infamous.  So what was the point of your question?

The point of my question is that it's extreme fanboyism to say that Sony first party games are so incredibly good that they make third party/multiplatform games look like a joke.

About the greened line: can u seriously explain how AC II is a joke compared to Uncharted 2? I have difficulties understanding how anyone can feel that way, those games being so similar and knowing that ACII is the 12th highest rated game of all PS3 games (and even outselling Uncharted II on the PS3 alone, in less time).



2 million is 2 million, if it's 1% of the potential userbase doesn't matter as it's a huge seller compared to the market.
It covers the cost of the games development and ensures a sequel. By your logic 99% of PS2 games were flops as they didn't sell to most of the user base?
So you hate all things Sony not just the fans/ I had a PS2 and if a game sold 30mil or 2 mil to the 140 million userbase it sold enough in my books.



@Slimebeast

MGS4 and Valkyria Chronicles are 3rd Party games.

inFamous and Demon's Souls are SONY owned IP's but developed outside of SONY [inFamous was fully funded by SONY, and most likely around half of the team that developed Demon's Souls was from SONY Japan].

LittleBigPlanet is a SONY owned IP but in the same shoes as inFamous.



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Lord Flashheart said:
2 million is 2 million, if it's 1% of the potential userbase doesn't matter as it's a huge seller compared to the market.
It covers the cost of the games development and ensures a sequel. By your logic 99% of PS2 games were flops as they didn't sell to most of the user base?
So you hate all things Sony not just the fans/ I had a PS2 and if a game sold 30mil or 2 mil to the 140 million userbase it sold enough in my books.

No, no, no... Dude, how can you compare ACTUAL, REAL sales to EXAGGERATIONS?  In my exaggerated context, the PS2 made 4.1 billion sell, now eat that.



I'm using your analgy and applying it to the real world. The PS2 is the closest real world example. I understand your exaggeration.

Well your first one. That 4.1billion doesn't make sense. I said game x sells 2 million to a userbase of 140million. How many PS2's are there? Why are you inflating the PS2's sales to astronomical levels?

Do you understand your exaggerations?



but, it cannot be applied to the real world. It's a fake exaggeration. If you understood it, why are you making it complicated? In a world where 2 million sales isn't enough, it's not something that can be applied to the real world, let it go, please.... -_-



But 2 million sales are enough. Especially 2 Million for a port. What world are you living in?
Why make a gross exaggeration that can't be applied to real life (when it can) to emphasise a real world point in a question you was asking?

And don't ask me to drop it. You asked the question and I'm answering. If you don't want flaws in your agument picked up on then put forth a better argument.



@Slimebeast

Out of the games you listed I would only give a nod to Bioshock. The story in that game IMO was proof games are a very viable story telling platform.

GTA4 is one of the biggest cases of games that went to crap thanks to multiplatform. San Andreas is a much better game in nearly every aspect. Thanks to the limits of DVD GTA4 was a massive step back for the franchise, so this one I blame the 360 for. Rockstar are great devs, but were forced to underwhelm thanks to being multiplat. They proved last gen that they could make great games, by dedicating to one console at a time. That is what I hope happens for GTA5, and I don't care if its for 360 or PS3. Just build the game the right way, and give both consoles the dedication they deserve.

As far does this game make this game look like a Joke?

Yes, they do. Uncharted 2 is so far ahead of Assasins Creed in gameplay, story telling, and tech that it is not even comparable. Metal Gear Solid (not SCEWWS, but exclusive) is way beyond RE5. RE5 is a mess, the controls are terrbile.

Really, look at game either published by Sony/Microsoft, or exclusive to one of the consoles. The majority of these games are so much better than any competeing multiplat, that they make them look like jokes. This year it is only going to seperate further.

Splinter Cell Conviction
Alan Wake
Heavy Rain
MAG
Halo Reach
Gran Turismo 5
God of War 3
Mass Effect 2

Name a muliplatform game that looks half as promising as those. I see Bioshock 2, and FFXIII, but we all know that FFXIII has been raped by being multiplat.



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10/03/2010 

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