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leo-j on 16 January 2010
yanamaster said:
Well now we can put to rest the stupid notion that the ps3 version was gimped because of the xbox360.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

The cutscenes are 1080P UN COMPRESSED, on the ps3.



 

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Xen on 16 January 2010
leo-j said:
yanamaster said:
Well now we can put to rest the stupid notion that the ps3 version was gimped because of the xbox360.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

The cutscenes are 1080P UN COMPRESSED, on the ps3.

Has SE ever stated that the FMV's are 1080p on the PS3



burning_phoneix on 16 January 2010
lestatdark said:
Spedfrom said:
So what? Those movies are in high definition which means they will be occupying a lot of disk space.

What it DOESN'T mean is that the game sucks, or by the same account, that it is brilliant, for only using up 6.8 GB. That's a very limited thought process.

Past Final Fantasies of the PS 1 and 2 era also used a lot of disk space for their movies and nobody complained, quite the conrtary.

It's about high fucking time people stop pissing all over Final Fantasy just because the JRPG era is over and all they want now is shooter-o-rama.

How many space does the cutscenes in any HD WRPG occupy in the game as well? I think that people are just doing this to get a rise over JRPGs, exactly for what you just said. 

Most cutscenes in WRPGs are done in-engine so I don't think they can be measured.

 

IIRC, most of disc space in WRPGs goes to voice acting.



XxXProphecyXxX on 16 January 2010

"The image also confirms that the PS3 version will sport high quality LPCM 5.1 audio and CGI cut-scenes are encoded in full 1080p, while the game itself runs in 720p."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=228348

Is it this?



lestatdark on 16 January 2010
loves2splooge said:

Wow, only 6.8 GB of data (the size of a Xbox 360 disc) out of 40 GB in total? I knew this would happen. If game developers stopped their lovefest with cinematics (maybe I'm just old but after over a decade, they don't impress me anymore) then we might probably be able to switch to flash cards as a storage medium for home console games in the near future when flash gets cheap enough. Which would be my wish. I'm not a fan of optical media. Optical drives are behind the cause of lower console lifespans, flash runs a lot cooler, faster loading with flash, flash is more reliable, etc. Blu-Ray only encourages more and more "is this a movie or a game ffs?" scenarios like this. Crysis in-game graphics are amazing and superior to what's available on consoles and that is only on one DVD right? You don't need to use that much space to deliver a Next Gen experience.

And lestat good point, wrpgs are guilty too of this. Mass Effect 2 is on 2 DVDs and that is no doubt due to cinematics.

Actually I agree with you, I think that a Flash Card based medium would be good as well, and as Flash Cards evolve in terms of data transfer speed and storage space, they could eventually over take optical media. 

I just hope that this type of discussions and excuses aren't thrown unilateraly against one genre, when in today's HD gaming, most of the high budget games are filled with cuscenes and pre-set pieces that take up a lot of space too, not just in JRPG genre.



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NJ5 on 16 January 2010
leo-j said:
yanamaster said:
Well now we can put to rest the stupid notion that the ps3 version was gimped because of the xbox360.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

The cutscenes are 1080P UN COMPRESSED, on the ps3.

BS. Uncompressed video is not possible on today's consoles or PCs (unless you have an ultra-fast hard drive).

Uncompressed audio, yes. Video, no.

 



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lestatdark on 16 January 2010
burning_phoneix said:
lestatdark said:
Spedfrom said:
So what? Those movies are in high definition which means they will be occupying a lot of disk space.

What it DOESN'T mean is that the game sucks, or by the same account, that it is brilliant, for only using up 6.8 GB. That's a very limited thought process.

Past Final Fantasies of the PS 1 and 2 era also used a lot of disk space for their movies and nobody complained, quite the conrtary.

It's about high fucking time people stop pissing all over Final Fantasy just because the JRPG era is over and all they want now is shooter-o-rama.

How many space does the cutscenes in any HD WRPG occupy in the game as well? I think that people are just doing this to get a rise over JRPGs, exactly for what you just said. 

Most cutscenes in WRPGs are done in-engine so I don't think they can be measured.

 

IIRC, most of disc space in WRPGs goes to voice acting.

Never the less they are cutscens right? You don't control anything in cutscenes. Dragon Age: Origins had tons of cutscenes, Mass Effect did too. It may be in-engine, yet the fact remains that they take up viable game time, just as any FMV in JRPG gamimg.



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Xen on 16 January 2010
XxXProphecyXxX said:
"The image also confirms that the PS3 version will sport high quality LPCM 5.1 audio and CGI cut-scenes are encoded in full 1080p, while the game itself runs in 720p."

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=228348

Is it this?

Doesn't confirm anything. It means that the game upscales to 1080p.



Riachu on 16 January 2010
loves2splooge said:

Wow, only 6.8 GB of data (the size of a Xbox 360 disc) out of 40 GB in total? I knew this would happen. If game developers stopped their lovefest with cinematics (maybe I'm just old but after over a decade, they don't impress me anymore) then we might probably be able to switch to flash cards as a storage medium for home console games in the near future when flash gets cheap enough. Which would be my wish. I'm not a fan of optical media. Optical drives are behind the cause of lower console lifespans, flash runs a lot cooler, faster loading with flash, flash is more reliable, etc. Blu-Ray only encourages more and more "is this a movie or a game ffs?" scenarios like this. Crysis in-game graphics are amazing and superior to what's available on consoles and that is only on one DVD right? You don't need to use that much space to deliver a Next Gen experience.

And lestat good point, wrpgs are guilty too of this. Mass Effect 2 is on 2 DVDs and that is no doubt due to cinematics.

There is nine hours of cutscenes which is not even a 1/4 of the time it takes to beat the main story.  Cutscenes take a lot of space because they use higher res versions of the characters and environments for them.  I have seen footage for FFXIII.  The characters have slightly more detail in the cutscenes than in the gameplay.



 

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NJ5 on 16 January 2010
kowenicki said:
NJ5 said:
leo-j said:
yanamaster said:
Well now we can put to rest the stupid notion that the ps3 version was gimped because of the xbox360.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

The cutscenes are 1080P UN COMPRESSED, on the ps3.

BS. Uncompressed video is not possible on today's consoles or PCs (unless you have an ultra-fast hard drive).

Uncompressed audio, yes. Video, no.

 

you see this is the kind of nonsense that gets thrown around all the time, I'm glad you were able to clear that up for us NJ5. 

Just in case someone still doubts it, here is the easy calculation to show why:

1920 pixels * 1080 pixels * 3 bytes per pixel (red, green blue) * 24 frames per second = 149 299 200 bytes = 145 800 KB = 142 MB per second.

Where are the hard drives, or optical drives that can read that fast? And where is the storage medium to store 500 GB per hour of movies?

 



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