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Vetteman94 said:
Kenology said:
Can't wait to see their financial statement next year after this refocusing...


And what will you say or anyone else bashing this move if they post a profit next year?  

I'll say it was a good move.



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So according to what they said, they're actually moving away from the DS, not the Wii.

So theyre going to get their DS teams to focus on the HD systems, but due to no mention of the Wii at all, it actually sounds like they won't change much there from what they are doing, maybe just less casual titles and more core titles?



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scat398 said:
Well it's the right move and the wrong move for Ubisoft. They should be nixing that crap they have been putting out on the wii, but instead should focis on a couple of top quality games for the Wii, that are targeted at gamers and not casuals.

all the money they dumped into shovel ware could have brought a new stealth series to the Wii.


And of course they should continue to focus on PS3 / 360 development the two combined sell the most software for consoles.

they theoretically did - Tenchu is on the Wii.



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imagine they port over all the wii games to the ps3/360 with updated graphics..



 

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scat398 said:
Well it's the right move and the wrong move for Ubisoft. They should be nixing that crap they have been putting out on the wii, but instead should focis on a couple of top quality games for the Wii, that are targeted at gamers and not casuals.

all the money they dumped into shovel ware could have brought a new stealth series to the Wii.


And of course they should continue to focus on PS3 / 360 development the two combined sell the most software for consoles.

they theoretically did - Tenchu is on the Wii.

They didn't make Tenchu Shadow Assassins, they just published it.

And Tenchu Shadow Assassins, while some consider it a pretty good game, many don't, apparently especially Tenchu fans (I haven't played it myself).



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leo-j said:
imagine they port over all the wii games to the ps3/360 with updated graphics..

Which games, the Imagine series? . Anyway, I think most people didn't have any issues with the any of their "core" games in the graphical department (except Broken Sword, which, while being a great point and click game, contrary to what people said, WAS a half assed effort - a lot, maybe all of the old content of the game remained as is, old... and bad looking/sounding. All reviews mentioned the glaring discrepancy). The issues were elsewhere.



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bmmb1 said:
leo-j said:
imagine they port over all the wii games to the ps3/360 with updated graphics..

Which games, the Imagine series? . Anyway, I think most people didn't have any issues with the any of their "core" games in the graphical department (except Broken Sword, which, while being a great point and click game, contrary to what people said, WAS a half assed effort - a lot, maybe all of the old content of the game remained as is, old... and bad looking/sounding. All reviews mentioned the glaring discrepancy). The issues were elsewhere.

Imagine crazy monkey's in HD will sell millions!!!!

 

 



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killeryoshis said:
NJ5 said:
Let's see how well this works out for them in the next gen, if Nintendo dominates again...

Think about all the Wii-only owners and how they'll be getting no exposure at all to Ubisoft's franchises.


If nintendo dominates again. All of the publishers are scwered. Also do we need exposure to their franchhises anyway?

It's not that we need exposure to their franchises, it's that they need exposure for their franchises.

It is actually one of my pet theories as to why third parties have struggled so much on Nintendo consoles.  Starting with the N64, third parties have left many of their biggest, most important franchises off of Nintendo consoles.  Therefore, people who play mostly on Nintendo consoles will have zero loyalty to those franchises, and zero loyalty to those companies.  Then, when something doesn't perform on the same level as on other consoles, they complain.  The difference is that on those other consoles they have spent years and years and years building a fanbase, and just expect one to pop out of thin air on Nintendo consoles.

(Contrast that with Nintendo, who has built a fanbase that will buy games almost without question.  They trust Nintendo to deliver great games over and over again.)

So now, with the Nintendo the winner, third parties are in trouble because the audience is not familiar with them.  They have to win their trust from scratch (and so far, have been doing a terrible job at that).  On the other hand, if third parties had given themselves more exposure on Nintendo consoles over the past two generations, I think they would be having a much easier time finding an audience right now.

Granted, this theory is only meant to be one piece of the puzzle, and not the entire reason as to why third parties struggle with Nintendo consoles.



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killeryoshis said:
NJ5 said:
Let's see how well this works out for them in the next gen, if Nintendo dominates again...

Think about all the Wii-only owners and how they'll be getting no exposure at all to Ubisoft's franchises.


If nintendo dominates again. All of the publishers are scwered. Also do we need exposure to their franchhises anyway?

It's not that we need exposure to their franchises, it's that they need exposure for their franchises.

It is actually one of my pet theories as to why third parties have struggled so much on Nintendo consoles.  Starting with the N64, third parties have left many of their biggest, most important franchises off of Nintendo consoles.  Therefore, people who play mostly on Nintendo consoles will have zero loyalty to those franchises, and zero loyalty to those companies.  Then, when something doesn't perform on the same level as on other consoles, they complain.  The difference is that on those other consoles they have spent years and years and years building a fanbase, and just expect one to pop out of thin air on Nintendo consoles.

(Contrast that with Nintendo, who has built a fanbase that will buy games almost without question.  They trust Nintendo to deliver great games over and over again.)

So now, with the Nintendo the winner, third parties are in trouble because the audience is not familiar with them.  They have to win their trust from scratch (and so far, have been doing a terrible job at that).  On the other hand, if third parties had given themselves more exposure on Nintendo consoles over the past two generations, I think they would be having a much easier time finding an audience right now.

Granted, this theory is only meant to be one piece of the puzzle, and not the entire reason as to why third parties struggle with Nintendo consoles.

Great post and it makes a lot of sense. Really, when we compare the amount of big IP's the biggest 3rd parties put into each console, it's ridiculous to say Wii games don't sell, since there aren't any notable ones. Most of the old and new IP's are appearing on the HD consoles ONLY.

Taken from my post on the other thread about this subject, look, compare the amount of games the biggest 3rd party publishers are putting into each console:

Capcom is releasing Tatsunoko vs. Capcom in about 2 weeks, after that it is only bringing Sengoku Basara 3 in the future for the Wii, but they are giving the PS3 the superior version of the game with online play and HD graphics. Nothing else from them.
For the HD's they have Dark Void, Lost Planet 2, Dead Rising 2, Resident Evil 5 Gold Edition and Super Street Fighter 4.

Konami has put Silent Hill: SM for the Wii recently, but what else do they have coming up? More dance dance revolution? Late entries of their Pro Evolution series? Arcade ports? Walk it out?
Meanwhile they are giving the HD consoles Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, Metal Gear Solid Rising, Pro Evoution (on time).

Namco Bandai, well, they have nothing coming up for the Wii.
For the HD's they have Dead to Rights: Retribution, Enslaved, Splatterhouse, Clash of the Titans.

Square Enix, well they have DQX coming up for the Wii but besides that they have NOTHING and have announced nothing since 2008, yes it is their biggest game, but they have absolutely nothing else for the Wii, which is strange considering they are giving it their biggest game.
For the HD's they have FFvsXIII, FFXIV, Nier Replicant, Nier Gestalt, Star Ocean 4 International, Front Mission Evolved, Supreme Commander 2, Just Cause 2, Kane & Lynch 2, Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures, Deus Ex 3, Highlander, Arkaham Asylum 2.

EA has NBA Jam coming out for the Wii as an exclusive, but what else? The yearly iterations of their sports games, which are all inferior save for TigerWoods PGA Tour (which they might ditch thanks to his problems).
Meanwhile they will give the HD consoles American McGee Alice II, Dead Space 2, Dante's Inferno, Dragon Age Origins: Awakening, Mass Effect 2, LMNO, Medal of Honour Modern Combat (or whatever), Rage, Skate 3, Battlefield Bad Company 2, Crysis 2, EA Sports MMA, and many Sports games exclusive to the HD's.

Sega has Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll coming up for the Wii, and what else? Sonic All star Racing (on the HD's too). Nothing else.
For the HD's they are brining Alien vs. Predator, Alien: Colonial Marines, Alpha Protocol, Resonance of Fate and Armored Core 5.

Activision, besides their multiplatform music and peripheral games like DJ Hero or Tony Hawk's Ride, the only notable game they have coming up for the Wii is CoD 7, which will be inferior to their HD counterparts, like all of the previous CoD have been.
For the HD's on the other hand they have Blur, Gun 2, Singularity, True Crime.

Ubisoft has Red Steel 2 and NMH2 coming up, but after these, what else have they got? Their recent statements make it clear that not much, if anything notable will come out from their studios for the Wii. More Raving Rabbids milking? Just Dance 2? A movie tie in Prince of Persia game?
The HD's will have Splinter Cell, Beyond Good & Evil 2, I Am Alive, R.U.S.E., Ghost Recon Predator.


With support like this, it's obvious that 3rd parties will never succeed on the Wii.



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^2010 looks amazing.

But yeah, the problem is no one wants to invest in a good Wii game until theres a proven market for them. When those markets have opened companies have filled the gap - Wii has lots of preteen / fitness / music games no other console has. They've got to open up sooner or later though :/.

The only real exception is Red Steel, but Ubisoft seem to have ballsed that up. I've no idea how a Wii game can take 3 years to make a sequel for, I'm kind of worried it's been a bit too long now though, and most people will have forgotten about it.