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Bayonetta is out today....impressions

Best hack n slash ever!!!! 48 34.29%
 
2nd best hack n slash 21 15.00%
 
Average Hack n Slash 28 20.00%
 
Mediocre Hack n Slash 13 9.29%
 
I would rather be hacked ... 30 21.43%
 
Total:140

This game is the best action-hack & slash game and i find it hard to believe that it will get surpassed anytime soon. You all can say whatever about story (which isn't bad if you actually like to figure things out plus read the notes) and it's always refreshing to see a game that isn't afraid to make fun of itself and others.

The music might be too girly for some of you, but no one can deny that it actually fits the main character. It might not sell millions but sometimes quantity =/= quality.

When you see all the extra content that its added (for FREE) almost the whole OST, 3D models, the dancing video, the hand-made drawing pics and the replay value added by unlocking weapons, costumes.

At the end of the day, what really matters in action games is the gameplay and this game has one of the most fluid and amazing gameplays i have seen. This is truly a masterpiece that only H. Kamiya could make. So Yes, i loved it !! and still do. =)



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
I wonder why when an unhyped underdog games gets great reviews, everyone questions it, but when an overhyped, paid off piece of shit sequel with added online gets perfect scores from IGN, everyone can't help but believe it's the best game ever made before they even play it.

I can't believe the skepticism.

How bout this. Play the game because Zenfoldor told you to. If I tell you wrong, blame me, for all to hear. That'll be the fucking day though.

That's what happens when a developer fucks up the version of the best Hypers in the Business.



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
I wonder why when an unhyped underdog games gets great reviews, everyone questions it, but when an overhyped, paid off piece of shit sequel with added online gets perfect scores from IGN, everyone can't help but believe it's the best game ever made before they even play it.

I can't believe the skepticism.

How bout this. Play the game because Zenfoldor told you to. If I tell you wrong, blame me, for all to hear. That'll be the fucking day though.

I think you are missing the point of why most people don't care to play this game. It's like when Brokeback Mountain came out. It's an amazing movie, has great acting, it's an awesome western, it's an epic love story, all these great things that I want in a movie. Except for the fact that I had no desire to see a love story about two men and a lot of other people felt the same way. No matter how great you say it is, it doesn't change that fact. 

If there is a character that people don't like, then they wont want to see that character succeed. They wont want to go on a journey with this character and they don't want to like this character. For some people either they have no problem liking the character already or they simply don't care about characters that much. For others it's vital and they will simply move on to the next game with the characters that interest them. If the gameplay is that good it will be duplicated in future games with better characters. 



RVDondaPC said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
I wonder why when an unhyped underdog games gets great reviews, everyone questions it, but when an overhyped, paid off piece of shit sequel with added online gets perfect scores from IGN, everyone can't help but believe it's the best game ever made before they even play it.

I can't believe the skepticism.

How bout this. Play the game because Zenfoldor told you to. If I tell you wrong, blame me, for all to hear. That'll be the fucking day though.

I think you are missing the point of why most people don't care to play this game. It's like when Brokeback Mountain came out. It's an amazing movie, has great acting, it's an awesome western, it's an epic love story, all these great things that I want in a movie. Except for the fact that I had no desire to see a love story about two men and a lot of other people felt the same way. No matter how great you say it is, it doesn't change that fact. 

If there is a character that people don't like, then they wont want to see that character succeed. They wont want to go on a journey with this character and they don't want to like this character. For some people either they have no problem liking the character already or they simply don't care about characters that much. For others it's vital and they will simply move on to the next game with the characters that interest them. If the gameplay is that good it will be duplicated in future games with better characters. 

I shouldn't be concerned with the hype and marketing required to get the non-informed casual audience into the film, but rather the quality of the film itself. The truth is, they really DO have a desire to see the film, they just don't realize it, and never could realize it, until they actually saw the film themselves. They are judging the entire watchability of the film not from critic reception, but from a blurb, trailer, or poster, and a vague generalized ideology of what they believe they would enjoy watching. Truth is, no one knows what they would enjoy until it has been presented to them. They think they do, but they don't. Anything can be spun, and when talking yourself out of watching brokeback, you are spinning your vague knowledge about the film in order to create a justification for the yourself to not watch it. That is what makes them the casual audience, and that is what makes me the informed core movie-goer. It is more commonly known as judging a book by its cover.

Once again, I should not be concerned with the cover, or the vast amount of ignorant people who would judge a book by such superficial parameters. I don't care about them. I'm recommending this game only to people who deserve to play it, and the only people who deserve to play it, would probably seriously consider my recommendation, if they haven't already accepted it wholeheartedly.

That said, again, I'm not flaming you, or those who would judge books, movies, or games, by such superficial things. I'm sure the people who don't watch Harry Potter because it is anti-christian are people too, and deserve my respect. I just think it's crazy, and I think they totally missed the point.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

ZenfoldorVGI said:

I shouldn't be concerned with the hype and marketing required to get the non-informed casual audience into the film, but rather the quality of the film itself. The truth is, they really DO have a desire to see the film, they just don't realize it, and never could realize it, until they actually saw the film themselves. They are judging the entire watchability of the film not from critic reception, but from a blurb, trailer, or poster, and a vague generalized ideology of what they believe they would enjoy watching. Truth is, no one knows what they would enjoy until it has been presented to them. They think they do, but they don't. Anything can be spun, and when talking yourself out of watching brokeback, you are spinning your vague knowledge about the film in order to create a justification for the yourself to not watch it. That is what makes them the casual audience, and that is what makes me the informed core movie-goer. It is more commonly known as judging a book by its cover.

Once again, I should not be concerned with the cover, or the vast amount of ignorant people who would judge a book by such superficial parameters. I don't care about them. I'm recommending this game only to people who deserve to play it, and the only people who deserve to play it, would probably seriously consider my recommendation, if they haven't already accepted it wholeheartedly.

That said, again, I'm not flaming you, or those who would judge books, movies, or games, by such superficial things. I'm sure the people who don't watch Harry Potter because it is anti-christian are people too, and deserve my respect. I just think it's crazy, and I think they totally missed the point.

Well then with all due respect I don't mean to flame you either but it is pretty ignorant of you to assume that people have the time, the money, and the energy to sit down and play every single game, watch every single movie, and read every single book to properly judge what they do and do not like. All of these resources are limited and thus an educated man would have to use his better judgement to decide what he would and would not enjoy by things that do not consume a lot of time, energy, or money. And if a company fails to showcase the likability of their product through these means that is not on the man's conscience but the company's for failing to do what they are supposed to do as a company. And clearly this company has failed. And as much as you try, you can't make up for that failure. 

 



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Just beat it... Im so sad this is over.

The group dance on the end alone is more entertaining than a lot of games I played this gen...lol



Well, I've only played the demo but it was pretty fun.



RVDondaPC said:

Well then with all due respect I don't mean to flame you either but it is pretty ignorant of you to assume that people have the time, the money, and the energy to sit down and play every single game, watch every single movie, and read every single book to properly judge what they do and do not like. All of these resources are limited and thus an educated man would have to use his better judgement to decide what he would and would not enjoy by things that do not consume a lot of time, energy, or money. And if a company fails to showcase the likability of their product through these means that is not on the man's conscience but the company's for failing to do what they are supposed to do as a company. And clearly this company has failed. And as much as you try, you can't make up for that failure. 

 

No, lol, I don't expect them to read every book, or watch every movie.. What I DO expect, is for them to base their decisions off of evidence and deduction, instead of marketing and hype.

I get especially pissed when they base their decisions off what the cover of the box that the movie/game/book/CD comes in. I would rather you base your buying decisions around the RELEASE DATE of the item, then the fucking box.

Honestly, there are SO MANY other things to base your buys off of. How bout developer, or reviews, or recommendations.

People who ignore those things are not "educated men" as you would like to presume. They don't understand the basic underlying truth that their reasoning is based on an incomplete knowledge of the subject, and thus, can't make an educated decision about what they like or dislike until they have actually experienced it.

Experience.

Do you not understand why RPGs value experience? There is no bad experience. Not in the hunt for knowledge.

Now, sure, if you have way too many opinions, and need to limit them, go ahead and cut a few of them out(please don't use the box cover art as an indicator of the content of the game). However, don't pretend that your elimination and the incomplete and unknowledgable deductions made when attempting to elimnate it from your choices is a valid commentary on the game.

The developers of this game did not fail. They made a good game, and that is succeeding.

The game didn't sell well, even though it was good. The marketing team failed. The people who made the box cover art failed(because apparently there is a whole crowd who picks their shit based on that, is what I'm hearing from you). Sega failed. Bayonetta failed. But NOT because the game isn't great. Believe me it is. If I say it, you can believe that shit, because I don't joke about shit like that. However, the gaming industry also failed Bayonetta.

It isn't core enough. It isn't small enough. It is too popular and too mainsteam, and great titles aren't appreciated as much as they should be.

Comics. Comic books.. the comic industry is much more appreciative of a great product. Sales and reviews are based on quality, and not hype. The audience is smarter, and the products on the whole, are better, or they don't last. When good titles sell like shit, or when shit titles sell well, see Carnival Games, then the consumer is to blame.

The consumers JOB is too reward quality, and to punish mediocrity.

THE CONSUMERS JOB IS TO REWARD QUALITY, AND PUNISH MEDIOCRITY.

When we fail to do our job, mediocrity gets promoted, and quality gets reduced.

Do you not believe that?



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Bayonetta is like Bret "The Hitman" Hart

The best there is, the best there was and most likely............ the best there ever will be.



ZenfoldorVGI said:
RVDondaPC said:
 

Well then with all due respect I don't mean to flame you either but it is pretty ignorant of you to assume that people have the time, the money, and the energy to sit down and play every single game, watch every single movie, and read every single book to properly judge what they do and do not like. All of these resources are limited and thus an educated man would have to use his better judgement to decide what he would and would not enjoy by things that do not consume a lot of time, energy, or money. And if a company fails to showcase the likability of their product through these means that is not on the man's conscience but the company's for failing to do what they are supposed to do as a company. And clearly this company has failed. And as much as you try, you can't make up for that failure. 

 

No, lol, I don't expect them to read every book, or watch every movie.. What I DO expect, is for them to base their decisions off of evidence and deduction, instead of marketing and hype.

I get especially pissed when they base their decisions off what the cover of the box that the movie/game/book/CD comes in. I would rather you base your buying decisions around the RELEASE DATE of the item, then the fucking box.

Honestly, there are SO MANY other things to base your buys off of. How bout developer, or reviews, or recommendations.

People who ignore those things are not "educated men" as you would like to presume. They don't understand the basic underlying truth that their reasoning is based on an incomplete knowledge of the subject, and thus, can't make an educated decision about what they like or dislike until they have actually experienced it.

Experience.

Do you not understand why RPGs value experience? There is no bad experience. Not in the hunt for knowledge.

Now, sure, if you have way too many opinions, and need to limit them, go ahead and cut a few of them out(please don't use the box cover art as an indicator of the content of the game). However, don't pretend that your elimination and the incomplete and unknowledgable deductions made when attempting to elimnate it from your choices is a valid commentary on the game.

The developers of this game did not fail. They made a good game, and that is succeeding.

The game didn't sell well, even though it was good. The marketing team failed. The people who made the box cover art failed(because apparently there is a whole crowd who picks their shit based on that, is what I'm hearing from you). Sega failed. Bayonetta failed. But NOT because the game isn't great. Believe me it is. If I say it, you can believe that shit, because I don't joke about shit like that. However, the gaming industry also failed Bayonetta.

It isn't core enough. It isn't small enough. It is too popular and too mainsteam, and great titles aren't appreciated as much as they should be.

Comics. Comic books.. the comic industry is much more appreciative of a great product. Sales and reviews are based on quality, and not hype. The audience is smarter, and the products on the whole, are better, or they don't last. When good titles sell like shit, or when shit titles sell well, see Carnival Games, then the consumer is to blame.

The consumers JOB is too reward quality, and to punish mediocrity.

THE CONSUMERS JOB IS TO REWARD QUALITY, AND PUNISH MEDIOCRITY.

When we fail to do our job, mediocrity gets promoted, and quality gets reduced.

Do you not believe that?

Did you ever sit and listen to the people as to why they don't want to play this game? It's not the box art, it's not the quality of the game, it's the Character! They don't like the main character. They don't want to root for the main character and they don't want to be the main character. That is the developers fault. They designed the character, they created her. Not the marketing team or the publisher or anyone else. Hitler can be the most badass character too in the most amazing game or movie but that doesn't mean people will want to play as him or want to root for him. Some people might but most people wont. Bayonetta is not a character most people want to play as. It's that simple. The quality of the game is a moot point. If you don't want to see trashy hookers as lead protagonists in future games you DON'T support games with lead protagonists that look like trashy hookers. The developers took a risk and it didn't pay off because people can't and don't want to connect with Bayonetta and for many people that is important when a game has a protagonist that is so heavily revolved around the main character.

You're defending the game because it's a great game but like the developers you are failing to listen to the people and understand what it is they want in a game and more specifically what they don't want. 

Also you are completely wrong about video game sales. There is a huge correlation between video game ratings(assumed quality) and sales figures. Carnival games may have sold more but look at all the other top selling games. They are quality software. A mediocre shooter may sell more than a top notch RPG but when comparing games with similar target market(genre's) the higher rated ones almost always sell more. Bayonetta will be an exception because they decided to put such a big deterrent for the market as a vocal point of the game that their sales will suffer big time. Maybe the quality of the game is that good that they can overcome this giant blunder over time but there is a good chance that it will still lose a lot of sales because of it.