What an awful propaganda video.
Israel is a great nation.
Kamal said:
That was interesting. |
It will save lives from obesity and lack of moe.
Oh god, the fucking pushups.
Squilliam said:
My opinion isn't based on Israels existance. My opinion is based on the negative relations between Palestinians and Israelis (including Palestinians with full citizenship) and the conditions which are similar in many respects to the treatment Jewish peoples around the world have recieved in the past which the Palestinian people now suffer under. The fact that Israel holds most of the power and can dictate many of the terms mean that I asign them a majority of the responsibility for the suffering which now exists there. |
Hmm. First, I would strongly disagree that Israel is treating others similarly to the way they have been treated. It's not like they've ever initiated an anti-semitic Holocaust. There's no Israelis going on suicide-bombing missions into Palestine. (NOT to say, of course, that all Palestinians do that, because that would be a ridiculous generalization, but you get my point.)
Second, I would venture to say that the two are not mutually exclusive issues. The very fact that Israel exists IS the root of these conflicts. Israel is surrounded by nations whose governments routinely call for its complete and utter destruction (like Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Iran, to name a few). Is it any wonder, then, that bad things (such as suffering) occur in the area every day?
bimmylee said: Hmm. First, I would strongly disagree that Israel is treating others similarly to the way they have been treated. It's not like they've ever initiated an anti-semitic Holocaust. There's no Israelis going on suicide-bombing missions into Palestine. (NOT to say, of course, that all Palestinians do that, because that would be a ridiculous generalization, but you get my point.) Second, I would venture to say that the two are not mutually exclusive issues. The very fact that Israel exists IS the root of these conflicts. Israel is surrounded by nations whose governments routinely call for its complete and utter destruction (like Syria, Jordan, Egypt, and Iran, to name a few). Is it any wonder, then, that bad things (such as suffering) occur in the area every day? |
Israel is about as close to apartheid as you can get without going back 20 years into South Africa. Furthermore if both the Israeli government wasn't propped up like the South African government was at the time they could not afford the level of conflict within their state and therefore a peaceable solution would have been found more appealing as they would have been more willing to compromise. Suicide bombers exist because of the disproportionate difference in power and economic prosperity between the two peoples.
The governments of countries surrounding Israel have mostly accepted the existance of the state. They also have their own problems to deal with and they aren't spending their time plotting the downfall of Israel. Terrorism is another name for guerilla warfare and they only exist when they are given a cause to fight for. If there was no cause, these movements would not exist outside of a small fringe. You don't see terrorism much in Ireland now do you?
Tease.
Squilliam said:
Israel is about as close to apartheid as you can get without going back 20 years into South Africa. Furthermore if both the Israeli government wasn't propped up like the South African government was at the time they could not afford the level of conflict within their state and therefore a peaceable solution would have been found more appealing as they would have been more willing to compromise. Suicide bombers exist because of the disproportionate difference in power and economic prosperity between the two peoples. The governments of countries surrounding Israel have mostly accepted the existance of the state. They also have their own problems to deal with and they aren't spending their time plotting the downfall of Israel. Terrorism is another name for guerilla warfare and they only exist when they are given a cause to fight for. If there was no cause, these movements would not exist outside of a small fringe. You don't see terrorism much in Ireland now do you? |
"A peaceable solution would have been found more appealing." To whom? Israel? Unlikely. "They would have been more willing to compromise." How so? And why should they? They've done nothing illegal. The UN is the one who assisted them in becoming a nation (again) in the first place. And your apartheid analogy is very flawed. The motivation and historical context is entirely different here.
Your comments have exposed how uneducated you are in terms of world news. Israel is currently in a formal state of war with at least two nations (Syria and Lebanon), if not more. Iran doesn't "accept the existence of the state." Jordan is working to restore ties with Hamas, the author of these quotes. If you really believe such a ridiculous thing, then your anti-Israel bias has been made clear here, and I don't intend to argue further.
bimmylee said: "A peaceable solution would have been found more appealing." To whom? Israel? Unlikely. "They would have been more willing to compromise." How so? And why should they? They've done nothing illegal. The UN is the one who assisted them in becoming a nation (again) in the first place. And your apartheid analogy is very flawed. The motivation and historical context is entirely different here. Your comments have exposed how uneducated you are in terms of world news. Israel is currently in a formal state of war with at least two nations (Syria and Lebanon), if not more. Iran doesn't "accept the existence of the state." Jordan is working to restore ties with Hamas, the author of these quotes. If you really believe such a ridiculous thing, then your anti-Israel bias has been made clear here, and I don't intend to argue further. |
I'll keep it simple.
Israel spend much money on security
Israel get much money given to them as aid
If Israel no get money they can't pay for all guards everywhere
Oh no what Israel do?
I know! Israel make compromise to ensure peace.
And no im not talking about with neighbours, im talking about not being able to guard settlements, keep aggressive road blocks etc which antagonise the palestinians. Whether or not theres a historic context or not, there are palestinians alive today who now have jewish people living in houses they hold titles to.
Tease.
Squilliam said:
I'll keep it simple. Israel spend much money on security Israel get much money given to them as aid If Israel no get money they can't pay for all guards everywhere Oh no what Israel do? I know! Israel make compromise to ensure peace. And no im not talking about with neighbours, im talking about not being able to guard settlements, keep aggressive road blocks etc which antagonise the palestinians. Whether or not theres a historic context or not, there are palestinians alive today who now have jewish people living in houses they hold titles to.
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I'm confused. Of course Israel needs help with military funding. So what? Countries give money to Israel to help Israel defend itself and ensure Israel's existence. That's obvious. What is important is the "why"... Why is it that some want Israel to exist in its current form? Could it be that maybe Israel has what rightfully belongs to them? Some don't think so, and that is the true issue at hand; that is what all of these debates and conflicts stem from.
And even if Israel suddenly drops its arms, what makes you think that its enemies will play nice and won't use it as an opportunity to utterly destroy Israel instead of "making a compromise to ensure peace?" If I were Israel's enemies, that is exactly what I would do if Israel stopped fighting... it's the only action that makes any practical sense! And you know what? All of recent history tells us that that is exactly what they want. Not compromise. Not peace. They want Israel wiped from the pages of history. I already cited a small sampling of the plethora of the evidence for this. The Six Day War is another excellent example: nine different nations align to try and destroy Israel, and Israel promptly humiliates them.
You can't support Israel's existence and then not support Israel. I will say, however, that I certainly don't condone every single action of the Israeli government. I'm totally sincere when I say that there's been terrible atrocities. But the bottom line is that Israel looks out for Israelis... and that should come as no surprise.
I find it hilarious when the people form the US ty to justify the existance of Israel by saying that its historically the home of the jews. Yet in the same breath they talk down to Native Americans all over the place.
Just an observation.
Also Israel is in existence only because of outside support of funding and supply of weapons, if it had been left to its own means it would have been gone a long long time ago. Then people wonder why arabic countries have a problem with Israel. It's as if Europe gave weaponry to the Natives and they carved out the entire West. Pretty damn certain the US will be frothing and bitching then.
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A similar problem to apartheid, a similar solution. No money given to Israel until they put an end to a lot of this stuff, notably these restrictive checkpoints within territory that's supposed to be under Palestinian control, and put a stop to those horrific settlements that force the Palestinians to live in unconscionable levels of population density, while the settlers get plentiful land.
Israel's more than tough enough to stand on its own two feet, it doesn't need western nations aiding it in its questionable mission.
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