Seece said: Khuutra said: Seece said: Khuutra said: Touchy about metadarlings, huh. All right Do you mean it doesn't stack up in the number of metadarlings, or it does't stack up according to som other standard? What the heck does metadarlings mean? It is my word (Rubang's too, now). I like it because it's unambiguous. I think it's a bit catchy! It's short for the darlings of metacritic - the elite games that get 90+ Edit: Wait, this is the topic where I coined the phrase. Read up a bit Riiiight ... I honestly don't want to get into another debate with you, you're far to condescending to have a decent conversation with.

I was being serious, though. Do you mean the Wii doesn't stack up in terms of games rated 90+ on metacritic, or do you mean it doesn't stack up according to some other metric? We can't have a discussion unless I know what you mean

And I am not condescending, I'm trying to keep from making an ass out of myself

Seece said: Khuutra said: It is my word (Rubang's too, now). I like it because it's unambiguous. I think it's a bit catchy! It's short for the darlings of metacritic - the elite games that get 90+ Edit: Wait, this is the topic where I coined the phrase. Read up a bit Riiiight ... I honestly don't want to get into another debate with you, you're far to condescending to have a decent conversation with.

Khuutra said: Seece said: Khuutra said: Seece said: Khuutra said: Touchy about metadarlings, huh. All right Do you mean it doesn't stack up in the number of metadarlings, or it does't stack up according to som other standard? What the heck does metadarlings mean? It is my word (Rubang's too, now). I like it because it's unambiguous. I think it's a bit catchy! It's short for the darlings of metacritic - the elite games that get 90+ Edit: Wait, this is the topic where I coined the phrase. Read up a bit Riiiight ... I honestly don't want to get into another debate with you, you're far to condescending to have a decent conversation with. I was being serious, though. Do you mean the Wii doesn't stack up in terms of games rated 90+ on metacritic, or do you mean it doesn't stack up according to some other metric? We can't have a discussion unless I know what you mean And I am not condescending, I'm trying to keep from making an ass out of myself

I havn't played any wii games, I have no idea if they stack up or not ...

P.S yes you are condescending, probably the worst for it on this site.

noname2200 said: Seece said: Riiiight ... I honestly don't want to get into another debate with you, you're far to condescending to have a decent conversation with.

I'd be offended, but he's far from the first to say that of me. Tone is something I have to watch very carefully.

Then how do they fail to stack up? You said that the Wii doesn't stack up. This is a thing you said! That's not being condescending, that's looking for clarification! Do not confuse force of opinion (of which I may have too much) and arrogance (of which I apparently have some) with condescension, which is not something I would sttop to. That's petty, and too deeply rooted in an ingrained arrogance and superiority that I try to rid myself of.

Khuutra said: noname2200 said: Seece said: Riiiight ... I honestly don't want to get into another debate with you, you're far to condescending to have a decent conversation with. I'd be offended, but he's far from the first to say that of me. Tone is something I have to watch very carefully. Seece said: I havn't played any wii games, I have no idea if they stack up or not ... P.S yes you are condescending, probably the worst for it on this site. Then how do they fail to stack up? You said that the Wii doesn't stack up. This is a thing you said! Fact of the matter is wii fans are touchy about metacritic because it just doesn't stack up That's not being condescending, that's looking for clarification! Do not confuse force of opinion (of which I may have too much) and arrogance (of which I apparently have some) with condescension, which is not something I would sttop to. That's petty, and too deeply rooted in an ingrained arrogance and superiority that I try to rid myself of.

It doesn't stack up in terms of metacritic AAA. I can say that because I have eyes and can see that I'm not in the position to say Metacritic is correct or incorrect on that.

Seece said: It doesn't stack up in terms of metacritic AAA. I can say that because I have eyes and can see that I'm not in the position to say Metacritic is correct or incorrect on that.

That it doesn't stack up in terms of metadarlings is clear, and I have nothing to argue on that point.

By the qualifications you have said, no.

By the qualifications you should have said, it already has.

I think, what Nintendo did with their franchises on the Wii is barely more interesting than on the Gamecube. It's fun to say that there's more AAA titles on the GC, but the games are far better on the Wii.

Everyone has its own AAA titles. It's the way you appreciate them. I played Modern Warfare 2, graphics are impressive, but I got bored of the game after the mission in Russia. My AAA titles are on the Wii, cause I love Nintendo, I love Mario and Zelda. I have about 20 AAA titles on the Wii, and about 15 on GC. So, Nintendo already pleased me a lot. And 2010 has just begun! The Wii will still be there in 2011!

The WiiWare offers also the best downloadable games of this gen.

Khuutra said: Seece said: It doesn't stack up in terms of metacritic AAA. I can say that because I have eyes and can see that I'm not in the position to say Metacritic is correct or incorrect on that. That it doesn't stack up in terms of metadarlings is clear, and I have nothing to argue on that point.

Just an FYI, quit this Metadarlings crap. VGChartz is trying to get on Metacritic.com and if they ever browse this site and see your anti attitude towards it it doesn't help our chances.

Now whether you would like us to be on there or not, is absoloutely none of your concern. Cut it out.

Kenryoku_Maxis said: Carl2291 said: Kenryoku_Maxis said: Carl2291 said: Khuutra said: Some people have missed my point Quality itself is not an indicator of AAA status. Budget and marketing emphasis is. Yes, Lair and Haze were AAA titles That is how meaningless it is in reference to quality. In that case, how many AAA games does the Wii actually have? According to many people, only a handful made by Nintendo itself.  Since only Nintendo has been making games that would be considered on the level of games that could compete with the HD games. But I think, since Wii isn't competing with the HD systems and is in its own category, it should be more of a measure of what constitutes a 'high quality' game for that system.  Is Tales of Symphonia 2 AAA? Madworld? Personally, I'd definitely count Monster Hunter Tri.  Along with the recent Resident Evil outings, eventhough they're rail shooters.  Heck, for a Wii title, Muramasa is even bordering on the high quality level.  But most people won't count that simply because its a 2D game that was made by a small studio and didn't cost tons of money to make.  Its a question of what you think consists of 'AAA'.  'Quality' or 'Costs to develop'. Red - Since when? They get sales compared, so games should also be compared. Seece said: Wait for it, he'll tell you it's out fault and HD fans are the ones spouting that it's not competition. Fact of the matter is wii fans are touchy about metacritic because it just doesn't stack up ... thus they come out with a host of reasons why metacritic sucks. Last gen did PS2 compare to GameCube or XBOX in graphics?  No, everyone will agree the PS2 had the weaker graphics.  And did PS2 have a TON of shovelware games compared to the other systems just like WII?  Yes, people often complained about it, with games like Mary Kate & Ashley go Shopping or Ponez alive!  But overall, their games that were deemed 'good' were often ranked equal or even better to that of the other two consoles.  The PS2 had over 70 games above a 90 score on Metacritic.  More than a few of them being of the puzzle, mini game or casual game variety. This gen, Wii is in the same position, but its games are consistently downscored not only in graphics, but for things like 'lacks innovation' or for hidden metrics or BLATANT metrics in comparison to HD games (such as reviewers blatantly comparing them to games like GTAIV or Halo in their reviews). So Sony gets a free ride last gen and Nintendo gets the microscope this gen?  Or is it because of something else?  Do enlighten me to why the Wii is in this predicament.  I find most people like to blame the Wii or defend reviewers or point the finger back at people who bring up this topic..anything to keep from thinking there could be any truth in this scenario.

Graphics don't always matter. They were all still compared sales-wise and games-wise, and were in the same generation. The difference with PS2 to GC + XB though, is PS2 had a ton of shovelware, but also had by far the most "AAA" and 90+ rated games of the generation. With the Wii to 360 +PS3, the 2 more powerful machines have by far the most "AAA" games and 90+ rated games.

Wii is in a different position than PS2. Mainly because of how much more powerful the other 2 consoles are in comparison. While last gen, the difference between the consoles wasn't too big, 3rd parties could make virtually the same game on all 3 consoles, the most powerful and the best selling. This gen, it is completely different. PS3 and 360 together are outselling the Wii, so there is a bigger marketshare for the more powerful consoles, which in turn... Moves dev's towards them for the big games. Assassin's Creed 2, Modern Warfare 2... Etc.

Another thing to blame, is how the Wii has been marketted. Nintendo are more to blame than anyone/anything else for the poor 3rd party support. The Wii, has been marketted as a party console played by the whole family. Thus, the majority of people who buy the console are the "expanded market"... It's hard to imagine that expanded market buying 5-6 Million+ copies of a game where you run around an Italian city assassinating random people

The majority of Wii owners, are in this "expanded market". That, coupled with the fact 360+PS3 > Wii in marketshare... Will move a lot of developers towards PS360 for the really big "AAA" games.