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Will the Wii pass the GCN in # of AAA titles?

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Kenryoku_Maxis on 01 January 2010
theprof00 said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:

Frankly, all these terms, such as 'hardcore' and 'casual' or 'AAA' and 'top tier' seem to be just buzz words developed by both the internet forum goers and the reviewers who cater to them.  As they have all sprung up at different times over the course of the internets lifetime and gotten popular by those that frequent the internet.  At the start of last generation, terms like 'casual' and 'AAA' weren't very common.  But now people use them like they're second nature and you're stupid if you question their use, because everyone from reviewers to regular people outside of the internet are using them.

But mark my words, within a few more years, probably around the time we have the next set of consoles, we'll be using a whole new set of stupid buzz words to describe the same junk.

Eh, I've been using core and hardcore for a long time now. I've known the term at least 10 years or longer.

The interesting thing about your post is this first line:

"Frankly, all these terms, such as 'hardcore' and 'casual' or 'AAA' and 'top tier' seem to be just buzz words developed by both the internet forum goers and the reviewers who cater to them."

This group of internet forum-goers and the reviewers, isn't that us? Are we not the internet forum goers? I'm not trying to single you out, but that seems to be the argument that people have when they question the use of certain words. "Oh that's just something, people on the internet made up", but see here, we're ON the internet.

At least that's how it feels to me. The other problem with this whole argument of semantics, is that even if we settle a new word in this forum, nobody else will know about it. There will constantly be argument over what a word means. It's just so frustrating. Especially when there seem to be a lot of people online who are more than ready to turn semantics into a straw man argument.

I'm confused.  I'm not trying to throw up some excuse to argue against anything.  Just the opposite.  I'm advocating exactly for the argument that forum goers (like us) are the cause for all these terms for becoming popular.  All I'm adding to that is that we are also the predominant users and instigators of those terms.  Its not the avg. Joe on the street who is focusing on the terms like 'AAA' or 'Casual'.  We started it and we're the ones pushing it.  Online.

Its the internet that started these terms and made them what they are.  And someday in the future, we'll have yet more.



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Khuutra on 01 January 2010

Also the Dreamcast has 15 metadarlings

I don't know if the Wii will be able to catch up to that

Edit: Neither will the DS, hilariously enough

Also holy Hell, Kirby Superstar Ultra is at 76 on Metacritic? That is widely divergent with my opinion



theprof00 on 01 January 2010
Khuutra said:
theprof00, you make a good point

Changing terminology is just something you have to expect. I'm just fighting it on the "AAA" front because it's more common on VGChartz than anywhere else on the internet - I'm pretty sure GAF, for example, uses it to refer to budget

language is a constantly evolving structure and words change meaning tens of times within a decade.

It's only right to assume that there will be some confusion.

At first, I was like "man seece is being really aggressive and unreasonable", and I was going to post on your wall "WTF?", but when I thought about it, I really started the whole argument. While I didn't have any aggression in my post, the idea to rename was an idea born months and months ago out of frustration about the whole issue. While I have favored expediency over controversy, it's apparent to me that there will still be people who want to stand their ground, and I can respect that. Whereas I prefer compromising and getting back to business, some might call me a push over.



Khuutra on 01 January 2010
theprof00 said:
Khuutra said:
theprof00, you make a good point

Changing terminology is just something you have to expect. I'm just fighting it on the "AAA" front because it's more common on VGChartz than anywhere else on the internet - I'm pretty sure GAF, for example, uses it to refer to budget

language is a constantly evolving structure and words change meaning tens of times within a decade.

It's only right to assume that there will be some confusion.

At first, I was like "man seece is being really aggressive and unreasonable", and I was going to post on your wall "WTF?", but when I thought about it, I really started the whole argument. While I didn't have any aggression in my post, the idea to rename was an idea born months and months ago out of frustration about the whole issue. While I have favored expediency over controversy, it's apparent to me that there will still be people who want to stand their ground, and I can respect that. Whereas I prefer compromising and getting back to business, some might call me a push over.

I actually like your idea. It facilitates more clarity in communication. I mean, I'm pretty sure we have precedence for this sort of thing here at VGChartz, like setting down definitions for exclusive games.



theprof00 on 01 January 2010
Khuutra said:
theprof00 said:
Khuutra said:
theprof00, you make a good point

Changing terminology is just something you have to expect. I'm just fighting it on the "AAA" front because it's more common on VGChartz than anywhere else on the internet - I'm pretty sure GAF, for example, uses it to refer to budget

language is a constantly evolving structure and words change meaning tens of times within a decade.

It's only right to assume that there will be some confusion.

At first, I was like "man seece is being really aggressive and unreasonable", and I was going to post on your wall "WTF?", but when I thought about it, I really started the whole argument. While I didn't have any aggression in my post, the idea to rename was an idea born months and months ago out of frustration about the whole issue. While I have favored expediency over controversy, it's apparent to me that there will still be people who want to stand their ground, and I can respect that. Whereas I prefer compromising and getting back to business, some might call me a push over.

I actually like your idea. It facilitates more clarity in communication. I mean, I'm pretty sure we have precedence for this sort of thing here at VGChartz, like setting down definitions for exclusive games.

We do have one of the most professional atmospheres out of the gaming forums. Doesn't say that much about the community lol, but you get the point.

I just felt compelled to post my thoughts after I read all the posts about the topic.



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forest-spirit on 01 January 2010

Hm, I don't get the AAA = 90+ on Metacritic...until I'm proven wrong, I'll just stick with AAA = Big budget games, which are expected to bring in loads of money. Whether or not a game is AAA is also decided long before the game is completed and review copies are sent out.
(this may be wrong as well, but...anyway, it's how I see it)

I don't think the Wii will get as many AAA games as GC. For a Wii game to be considered AAA it should be in the Monster Hunter Tri level and I don't see many Wii games going there.



theprof00 on 01 January 2010
forest-spirit said:
Hm, I don't get the AAA = 90+ on Metacritic...until I'm proven wrong, I'll just stick with AAA = Big budget games, which are expected to bring in loads of money. Whether or not a game is AAA is also decided long before the game is completed and review copies are sent out.
(this may be wrong as well, but...anyway, it's how I see it)

I don't think the Wii will get as many AAA games as GC. For a Wii game to be considered AAA it should be in the Monster Hunter Tri level and I don't see many Wii games going there.

I think the reason people decide a game is AAA before release is that the level of graphic detail/production shown by screenshots often implies that developers who were meticulous with the details would also be meticulous with the entirety of the game. So, maybe the two are somewhat correlated? A high level of production implies a possible high score? That's how I see it at least. There are a lot of problems with an approach using budget as the operative condition, for reasons such as Khuutra said earlier. What defines big budget? Is it a number? Is it a ratio of value? Does it change from system to system? Is it a contrasting distinction from the average budget?

Anyway, the entire problem that the gaming industry has had with the wii is that we are generally not wii gamers. Whereas you and I can agree that MH is a AAA game in the traditional sense, the new audience has very different tastes, and a lot of them don't seem to care enough to go online and start review sites lol. It is a paradox, in a sense haha



forest-spirit on 01 January 2010
theprof00 said:
forest-spirit said:
Hm, I don't get the AAA = 90+ on Metacritic...until I'm proven wrong, I'll just stick with AAA = Big budget games, which are expected to bring in loads of money. Whether or not a game is AAA is also decided long before the game is completed and review copies are sent out.
(this may be wrong as well, but...anyway, it's how I see it)

I don't think the Wii will get as many AAA games as GC. For a Wii game to be considered AAA it should be in the Monster Hunter Tri level and I don't see many Wii games going there.

I think the reason people decide a game is AAA before release is that the level of graphic detail/production shown by screenshots often implies that developers who were meticulous with the details would also be meticulous with the entirety of the game. So, maybe the two are somewhat correlated? A high level of production implies a possible high score? That's how I see it at least. There are a lot of problems with an approach using budget as the operative condition, for reasons such as Khuutra said earlier. What defines big budget? Is it a number? Is it a ratio of value? Does it change from system to system? Is it a contrasting distinction from the average budget?

Anyway, the entire problem that the gaming industry has had with the wii is that we are generally not wii gamers. Whereas you and I can agree that MH is a AAA game in the traditional sense, the new audience has very different tastes, and a lot of them don't seem to care enough to go online and start review sites lol. It is a paradox, in a sense haha

Good points here.

When I think about it, Wii may have broken my AAA definition completely.



theprof00 on 01 January 2010
forest-spirit said:
theprof00 said:
forest-spirit said:
Hm, I don't get the AAA = 90+ on Metacritic...until I'm proven wrong, I'll just stick with AAA = Big budget games, which are expected to bring in loads of money. Whether or not a game is AAA is also decided long before the game is completed and review copies are sent out.
(this may be wrong as well, but...anyway, it's how I see it)

I don't think the Wii will get as many AAA games as GC. For a Wii game to be considered AAA it should be in the Monster Hunter Tri level and I don't see many Wii games going there.

I think the reason people decide a game is AAA before release is that the level of graphic detail/production shown by screenshots often implies that developers who were meticulous with the details would also be meticulous with the entirety of the game. So, maybe the two are somewhat correlated? A high level of production implies a possible high score? That's how I see it at least. There are a lot of problems with an approach using budget as the operative condition, for reasons such as Khuutra said earlier. What defines big budget? Is it a number? Is it a ratio of value? Does it change from system to system? Is it a contrasting distinction from the average budget?

Anyway, the entire problem that the gaming industry has had with the wii is that we are generally not wii gamers. Whereas you and I can agree that MH is a AAA game in the traditional sense, the new audience has very different tastes, and a lot of them don't seem to care enough to go online and start review sites lol. It is a paradox, in a sense haha

Good points here.

When I think about it, Wii may have broken my AAA definition completely.

Yes, I am on a pretty good roll tonight haha



Khuutra on 01 January 2010
theprof00 said:
Khuutra said:

I actually like your idea. It facilitates more clarity in communication. I mean, I'm pretty sure we have precedence for this sort of thing here at VGChartz, like setting down definitions for exclusive games.

We do have one of the most professional atmospheres out of the gaming forums. Doesn't say that much about the community lol, but you get the point.

I just felt compelled to post my thoughts after I read all the posts about the topic.

I think the administration has more to do with that than most members are willing ot admit to themselves. Brett himself has acknowledged that, as a sales comparison site, this is one of the biggst magnets on the internet for fanboy wars and prick-waving. The fact that things are as civil as they are is at least partially a result of a Herculean effort by the administration to try to keep reins on discourse.