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The point of Game of the Year lists for me (and i'm the one who runs them on this site) is to give as many great games the recognition they deserve as I can, and I'm absolutely listening to your guys' suggestions, but I will not shove everything into one genre.

However next year I think I will try to limit every game go whatever genre it fits in best, again with the goal of more exposure.



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If JRPG is classified by turn-based combat and WRPG is classified by whatever we are classifying it with that makes me wonder something.

Where does Kingdom Hearts and/or Tales of Vesperia fall?

 

How about my up and coming 3D Dot Game Heroes? We going to call that a WRPG too?



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Euphoria14 said:

If JRPG is classified by turn-based combat and WRPG is classified by whatever we are classifying it with that makes me wonder something.

Where does Kingdom Hearts and/or Tales of Vesperia fall?

 

How about my up and coming 3D Dot Game Heroes? We going to call that a WRPG too?

As of yet I would define 3D Dot Game Heroes as an action/adventure game akin to Zelda.  I haven't seen any means of leveling the character.



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Torillian said:
Euphoria14 said:

If JRPG is classified by turn-based combat and WRPG is classified by whatever we are classifying it with that makes me wonder something.

Where does Kingdom Hearts and/or Tales of Vesperia fall?

 

How about my up and coming 3D Dot Game Heroes? We going to call that a WRPG too?

As of yet I would define 3D Dot Game Heroes as an action/adventure game akin to Zelda.  I haven't seen any means of leveling the character.

I figured I would get that response. You do level up the sword though.

 

Still however, where does that put the Tales games? They aren't exactly turn based, so are they *gasp*, WRPGs? O_o

Or do they become ARPG ("Action Role Playing Game")?

 

I've seen that one thrown around a bit too.



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Euphoria14 said:
Torillian said:
Euphoria14 said:

If JRPG is classified by turn-based combat and WRPG is classified by whatever we are classifying it with that makes me wonder something.

Where does Kingdom Hearts and/or Tales of Vesperia fall?

 

How about my up and coming 3D Dot Game Heroes? We going to call that a WRPG too?

As of yet I would define 3D Dot Game Heroes as an action/adventure game akin to Zelda.  I haven't seen any means of leveling the character.

I figured I would get that response. You do level up the sword though.

 

Still however, where does that put the Tales games? They aren't exactly turn based, so are they *gasp*, WRPGs? O_o

Or do they become ARPG ("Action Role Playing Game")?

 

I've seen that one thrown around a bit too.

Well that's more a problem for those who are basing jRPG and wRPG off of battle system, which to me dilineates into turn-based, action, and strategy.  jRPG and wRPG are a difference in whether the game focusses on player choices or a linear storyline.



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Meh it is just like J-Rap, J-rock. While those musicgenres are not from Japanese origin still they are called J-rap, J-rock because it is music from Japanese rappers/singers even if whole the song is in English.



 

When I play Demon's Souls and say Dragonage (both within a short period of one another), I find it almost impossible to classify the games as coming from the same genre. DragonAge is without doubt a WRPG (and I classify it as a perfect example of a WRPG), and I just cannot see anyway to classify DS as the same. While yes, there are similarities between the two:

- You choose which stats are upgraded when you level

- You choose what spells you want (either buy them or put a point into them)

- You choose how you play the game (DS melee or caster, DA as warrior/rogue/mage then subbed however you want)

- Basic difficulty levels (DA from the beginning and DS starting at NG+)

- Good/Bad, White/Black alignments (this is more in common with other WRPGS)

But there are more dissimilarities between the two:

- Dragonage has multiple paths based on how you answer or how you accomplish your goals
(this is what I equate with WRPGS, this type of choice)

- DS is basically linear (while you can do the levels in any order, it does not effect the overall story, there are no side quests that are not part of the main adventure, barring Meph of course)

- Killing NPCs in DS doesnt really change the game, it just takes out the option of using that NPCs individual skills (if you kill Thomas you cannot store your gear, but it doesnt change the story at all)

- The only real dialog option/decision you have (besides Meph but thats different) is at the very end of the game.

After making this list, Im not sure what to think anymore :) The game is definitely an RPG (neither western or japanese) so perhaps we should have another classification of GoTY? (like Other RPG or something?) If it has to be qualified as something, it might as well be a JRPG, due to location since nothing else pushes the game either way.

(the above list is in noway complete)



http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=90332

There is no such thing as a RPG genre. *Hides*


Anyway if we use the terms Console and Computer roleplaying Demon Souls would without a doubt be in Console Role Playing Game. In essence that is one and the same with what is today called "Jrpg" while Computer Role Playing Games are more similar to "WRPGs" So the end of it, Demon Soul's is a Jrpg if you choose that crude terminology.



naznatips said:
twesterm said:
Torillian said:

well here's a counter argument. Demon's Souls has more in common with Kingdom Hearts than any wRPG. It's an action RPG with a linear story, a central hub, several worlds you visit with their own backgrounds and stories. Unlike your common wRPG there is minimal power over the story with really only a major choice near the end and there is no conversation system.

edit: furthermore, the combat system that is all about melee combat and locking onto your adversaries has more in common with Zelda than a wRPG.

That kind of hints at another thing I hate -- too many sub genres.

I hate having action/adventure, action, adventure, FPS, TPS, JRPG, and WRPG.  Things would be so much simpler if it just went back to action/advetnure, shooter, and RPG.

Yeah because MadWorld and Monkey Island should totally be competing because they are so much alike.

 

Gaming is more complicated than it used to be. We have more genres because we need them to give more games fair representation. Otherwise we would end up with a whole lot of GotY lists that are nothing but God of War, Mass Effect, and Call of Duty year after year after year... have fun with that. 

Monkey Island is a point and click adventure.

I know that goes against what I said, I don't care, that's my favorite genre and I can be a hypocrite from time to time.  :-p