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NKAJ on 02 January 2010
Kamal said:
@Bdbdbd: How is blowing yourself up and making Islam looking like a religion of hatred and violence going accord with Allah's wishes.

We should really be pre-occupied with the struggle within silly scribbles from the outside world.

@ Lostplanet22: Ermmm I don't see that remotely funny, the media has butchered muslims to death the past 10 years and that notion of us is becoming more common, which is sad.


to be fair i think killing people in the september the 11 th attacks and the bombings in london are slightly worse than being portrayed badly by the media



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draik on 02 January 2010
NKAJ said:
Kamal said:
@Bdbdbd: How is blowing yourself up and making Islam looking like a religion of hatred and violence going accord with Allah's wishes.

We should really be pre-occupied with the struggle within silly scribbles from the outside world.

@ Lostplanet22: Ermmm I don't see that remotely funny, the media has butchered muslims to death the past 10 years and that notion of us is becoming more common, which is sad.


to be fair i think killing people in the september the 11 th attacks and the bombings in london are slightly worse than being portrayed badly by the media

Don't forget Madrid.



 

NKAJ on 02 January 2010
draik said:
NKAJ said:
Kamal said:
@Bdbdbd: How is blowing yourself up and making Islam looking like a religion of hatred and violence going accord with Allah's wishes.

We should really be pre-occupied with the struggle within silly scribbles from the outside world.

@ Lostplanet22: Ermmm I don't see that remotely funny, the media has butchered muslims to death the past 10 years and that notion of us is becoming more common, which is sad.


to be fair i think killing people in the september the 11 th attacks,the bombings in london and the attack in madrid are slightly worse than being portrayed badly by the media

Don't forget Madrid.

sorry,fixed.



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

Kamal on 02 January 2010

@Bdbdbd: I can see what your saying and I agree. In Islam war should be a last resort after other means of negotiation have been met, almost like the "Just war" theory.


I know any rational person knows what Islam represents.



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Kantor on 02 January 2010
MontanaHatchet said:
If you want to combat Islamic extremism in the UK, how about not letting in immigrants from countries that have a lot of Islamic extremism (such as Pakistan, Iraq, etc.)? There are plenty of countries with people who have high birth rates and are willing to work for cheap wages but aren't overcome with Islamic extremism, so let them in.

That would only serve to create more hostility from the Islamic world. The fact is that a very small percentage of Muslims would even consider suicide bombing, and the vast majority think that Al-Qaeda are monsters. You can't stop several entire nations of people from coming into a country because of a handful who could cause damage.

I think the weapon against this is education. Teach all children that these acts are wrong, that Al-Qaeda are monsters, and that all religions should be tolerated and accepted, and those children hopefully won't be brainwashed in the future.



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Kamal on 02 January 2010

@ NKAJ: Ermmmmm, even though. It's like saying every german is a nazi and how that sort of coverage can be used as a catalyst against the majority. I'm sorry that people die in that ordeal or in any ordeal but that shouldn't be subsituted on innocent people being pestured by uncalled prejudices.



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

NKAJ on 02 January 2010
Kamal said:

@ NKAJ: Ermmmmm, even though. It's like saying every german is a nazi and how that sort of coverage can be used as a catalyst against the majority. I'm sorry that people die in that ordeal or in any ordeal but that shouldn't be subsituted on innocent people being pestured by uncalled prejudices.

Im not tyring to say that all Muslims are like that,i know that the majority are normal people but still,if all these radicals come to the U.K and then sprout garbage about how much of a sh#thole the U.K is ,well then those people should just go back to their own country.The majority of of the major terror attacks in the last few years have come from radical muslims.



"They will know heghan belongs to the helghast"

"England expects that everyman will do his duty"

"we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

bdbdbd on 02 January 2010

@Kamal: Since islam is religion and therefore it's meaning differs depending on who interprets it. So, i'm quite sure some other muslim with completely opposite interpretion could say the same thing about sane people, and still mean different things than you do.

So, what's there to negotiate? God says that peace can be attained only when there's no one else left but muslims, or every non-muslim is ruled by muslims.

What you may want to say is, that most muslims today aren't fundamental muslims, but more of a secular kind.



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Scoobes on 02 January 2010

Just thought I'd update you guys on the latest bomber Umar. Turns out it's highly unlikely he was radicalised in the UK or whilst at UCL:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8436332.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8436890.stm

2nd link is from a friend (of the bomber) at UCL. One of my mates also knew him... or thought he did. Sounds like he went through a very dodgy path AFTER he left the UK.




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Lostplanet22 on 02 January 2010
Kantor said:
MontanaHatchet said:
If you want to combat Islamic extremism in the UK, how about not letting in immigrants from countries that have a lot of Islamic extremism (such as Pakistan, Iraq, etc.)? There are plenty of countries with people who have high birth rates and are willing to work for cheap wages but aren't overcome with Islamic extremism, so let them in.

That would only serve to create more hostility from the Islamic world. The fact is that a very small percentage of Muslims would even consider suicide bombing, and the vast majority think that Al-Qaeda are monsters. You can't stop several entire nations of people from coming into a country because of a handful who could cause damage.

I think the weapon against this is education. Teach all children that these acts are wrong, that Al-Qaeda are monsters, and that all religions should be tolerated and accepted, and those children hopefully won't be brainwashed in the future.

You mean like all those  'don't take drugs, use condoms, don't bully someone' helps? Sadly some think Al-Qaeda is cool, like some think joining the army and shooting people, blowing things up is cool and that being a gangster is cool.