Yes, and in Nazi Germany it was illegal to not kill jews... I guess that makes killing jews just fine then.

You are picking even more at straws here with the whole "legal" issue. It isn't even illegal everywhere.

It was not illegal to abstain from killing Jews in Nazi Germany....

The only places piracy is not illegal is in like Sweden and other very lax countries.

The point is, every supposed good reason for pirating has a perfectly good non-pirating solution.  You pirate it to try it out?  That's what demos are for.  You pirate it because you think it sucks?  Don't play it then...  You pirate it to show it is not worth the price?  How about rent it or in the case of PC games, just wait to get it when it is cheaper.  You can't afford to play all the great games?  Get a job.  You vote with your dollar, not with your download. 

Buying = vote.  Not buying or buying an alternative/competitor = vote.  Download = free loader that thinks they don't have to vote and should get whatever they think they deserve.

Don't try to make reference to historic events when your knowledge in that area is at best spotty.......

It's illegal in the county you live in, now go commit a crime and go explain to the judge that what you did isn't illegal in Nigeria or North Korea and see how he answers........

Ah the law. The last refuge of someone who lacks any good arguments. Also my knowledge of the time perid is quite good. It was illegal to shelter jews, and towards the end of the war, when the camps were put in overdrive to get rid of as many as possible, it wass basicaally a death sentence.

Also sweden doesn't mind pirates as much. Spain too. All in all, you jsut told me you have absolutely no good arguments.

Try to get caught smoking pot by the cops and try to explain them how it is legal in Holland and see how far it gets you....

That's true, I'm sorry. It was illegal not to report them. Which towards the end basically meant killing them, or at least heavy torture.

See the way I see it pirating = vote against the game. You probably didn't even read what Valve and Blizzard had to say about piracy. Funny they have no problems but the people who release shitty games are the only ones whining about it...

I love when people bring Blizzard and Valve into this discussion.  Lets see, Blizzard, a company that makes it's riches off of monthly subscriptions, would obviously not care one bit about piracy.  If someone pirates the game, they still have to pay to play it online with the WoW servers.

And Valve.  They sell games via digital distribution.  Not just their own games, but many others as well.  Sure some Steam games are easily cracked to be released onto the torrents, but the fact that they mostly rely on digital distribution for their games, and take a large amount of revenue by selling other games, ensures they once again are mostly immune to piracy when it comes to overall revenues.  They sell very many lesser known games and indie games which tend to see less piracy then the big popular games.

For those 2 developers, I raise you 3 more that complain all the time about piracy because it takes a large portion of their revenue.  Infinity Ward, even with CoD4 saw extreme levels of piracy and spoke out about how the illegal copies far outnumbered the legal ones playing online.  Also StarDock with Demigod, reported over 80% piracy of their game.  We also have developers like EA, Crytek, as well as a plethora of developers for the PSP who all found it difficult or impossible to make profits when so many of their games were being pirated to such a great extent.

I love when people bring Blizzard and Valve into this discussion.  Lets see, Blizzard, a company that makes it's riches off of monthly subscriptions, would obviously not care one bit about piracy.  If someone pirates the game, they still have to pay to play it online with the WoW servers.

And Valve.  They sell games via digital distribution.  Not just their own games, but many others as well.  Sure some Steam games are easily cracked to be released onto the torrents, but the fact that they mostly rely on digital distribution for their games, and take a large amount of revenue by selling other games, ensures they once again are mostly immune to piracy when it comes to overall revenues.  They sell very many lesser known games and indie games which tend to see less piracy then the big popular games.

For those 2 developers, I raise you 3 more that complain all the time about piracy because it takes a large portion of their revenue.  Infinity Ward, even with CoD4 saw extreme levels of piracy and spoke out about how the illegal copies far outnumbered the legal ones playing online.  Also StarDock with Demigod, reported over 80% piracy of their game.  We also have developers like EA, Crytek, as well as a plethora of developers for the PSP who all found it difficult or impossible to make profits when so many of their games were being pirated to such a great extent.

Funy, I keep bringing them up because of 2 things:

1) They make the best PC games.

2) They were fine even before this apparent piracy "issue."

While I agree for each of those you can raise me 3 that complain, but I would LOVE for you to raise me even 1 that makes games the way PC games should be made. Oh wait... They don't exist.... That's the problem. People make SHIT game (look at Modern Warfare 2) and then since they don't wanna feel liek shit blame piracy. Hell, you don't even see BioWare whine about piracy on Dragon Age: Origins, and thaat was still a dumbed down, but at least PC-centric, PC game. If you can't see the trend then you are just blind, or just don't have the natural resources to do so.

Edit: Are you also so thick you don't realize that if they had problems with piracy on their software they woudl still bitch about it, not make "piracy is the developer's fault" claims? Sure they make break even and make mad monies off other venues, but they'd still bitch. Do you HONESTLY believe that TF2 hasn't sold to just about anyone with any kind of PC because it is a PC-game with constant updates for free, made for PCs? If you do then There's nothing more to talk with about you since I'm better off talking to the chair.