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Dr.Grass on 26 December 2009
coolestguyever said:
Yeah 50hz is pretty weak. You definitely want <120hz if money is no object to you. There are even 240hz TV's and for all I know probably higher then that.


I know this is primarily an LCD discussion, but I saw a 800Hz Plasma at the store I bought my LCD.



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Dr.Grass on 26 December 2009
Theo said:
I can't stand low refresh rates, just like neon lightbulbs. They wreck my head. And to think, we all used to watch tv on 50hz interlaced!

I can't stand them anymore. 100hz is perfect for me, love it. Or plasma : )
I would love a 200hz though, but they're pretty pricey.


And to think some people claim to not see a difference...



disolitude on 26 December 2009

lol...50 HZ LCD. No such thing in America but Europeans feel your pain.

DLP was the best...Plasmas are good. 120 HZ HZ is...meh...depends on the manufacturer and their stabilization methods.

There is no LCD TV on the markey that is truly 120 HZ yet. They just insert their own frames in to a 60 HZ signal.



jake_the_fake1 on 26 December 2009
Dr.Grass said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
looks like your eyes have the same sensitivity as mine, you should of gone for a Plasma TV like I have.

The 100Hz and all that crap is bullshit, it's simply a work around for the limitations of LCD technology, but it makes things move and feel fake, and in some cases causes artifacting on the image, however, it's suitable for the majority of the market which is why it's standard on LCD now days.
The other work around is to simply buy a panel with a refresh rate of 2ms, but their hard to find and usually more expensive, the most common panels are 8ms, which is why it affects sensitive eyes.

I my self went with a Plasma because when I was tv shopping I always noticed 2 things, 1) LCD colours and blacks were crap incomparison to plasma, and 2) I always saw the image stutter on LCD which no one could see except me, the Plasma sets I saw never had this issue with my eyes, and at the end of the day I went for my Panasonic plasma.

I know people will say plasma burns in, but these days it's no longer an issue as it was once, the thing is no technology is perfect. Plasma does have it's own problem, it's phosphor decay lag is one of them, in other words when an image say is panning really fast from black to white then in between where the 2 colours meet their is this green tinge, but only when the image is paning fast and only when the image has an excessive amount of black and white images, but even under these conditions it's not that noticeable....

to be honest I'd rather the flaws that plasma have than the stutter my eyes see with LCDS and no the 100hz as In said makes things smooth what it feels like the image has been speed up something like .5 and just looks unrealistic and fake, well to my eyes.... for the reason mentioned above I hold plasma technology as the pinnacle of TV tech currently around when it comes to price, size, picture quality, and inherent tech flaws...but this is just my opinion.


Why I didn't go for Plasma:

1) We have the most expensive electrcity in the world here in South Africa and due to another government F*CK up it could increase by 400% over the next 2 years. Plasmas suck a lot more power.

2) I have a SERIOUS problem with buying anything that has a half life. My parents still use their 10y/o Sony Trinitron flatscreen and it's still great. You're plasma will be finished one day...

I know Plasma holds some very good advantages, but the above two points are just too much for me.

BTW, my LCD has 2ms response time and 200Hz, so it's really smoooth. The difference between mine and anything cheaper is obvious to me now.

But I have to agree with you, Plasmas are better for most people who game or watch sports...

EDIT: I would say LED's are the pinnacle. Wouldn't you agree?

One would think, but the simply answer is no.

I work in a samsung call center and get many calls about them, since they are fist gen LED there are teething problems which is a given, they'll get better for sure, but for now, it's Plasma > LCD > LED.

Oh and in case your curious what issues we have, LED burning in...basically it's like 1st gen plasma's again, not as bad of course but it's one of top reasons customers call up, it makes it worse when they just spent 7k AUS on the dam thing...I don't get these people, they won't buy a top of the line Pionner plasma cuz 7k is to much, but hey they are buying 1st gen LED for 7k...argh some people just don't have comon sense...or the Samsung marketing a hella good XD



Dr.Grass on 26 December 2009
disolitude said:
lol...50 HZ LCD. No such thing in America but Europeans feel your pain.

DLP was the best...Plasmas are good. 120 HZ HZ is...meh...depends on the manufacturer and their stabilization methods.

There is no LCD TV on the markey that is truly 120 HZ yet. They just insert their own frames in to a 60 HZ signal.


I'm no techno buff, but my LCD is 200Hz. Would that not be truly 120Hz at least?



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Tallgeese101 on 26 December 2009

LCD 60hz and interlaced CRT 50hz are completely different. You definitely should not get headaches from looking at it even if sensitive as there are no strobe effects.

In my experience the 100 hz+ technologies are more of a marketing gimmick in mid-range TVs that often reduce the picture quality by over processing and 'haloing' the image.



Cobretti2 on 26 December 2009

I dont know if your tv has it, but turn on game mode. it quickens the refresh rate.

my tv has that mode. ON normal it blurs and with it on it does not. I use it on my movies too haha.



 

 

NNN2004 on 26 December 2009

man its too late for me lol .. i got the same bravia that you talk about its the same 40" but i think with 60hz not sure .. i compared my new lcd with my one year old samsung plasma and i found the plasma colors is far way better than this bravia lcd also for the plasma there is no blur at all do to the 0.001 response time while my suffer alot of blur do to the lack of the 100hz.. the only advantage for the bravia against the plasma samsung is the full hd 1080p ... what should i say i cant do anything now i already bought it lol ....  :(



disolitude on 26 December 2009
Dr.Grass said:
disolitude said:
lol...50 HZ LCD. No such thing in America but Europeans feel your pain.

DLP was the best...Plasmas are good. 120 HZ HZ is...meh...depends on the manufacturer and their stabilization methods.

There is no LCD TV on the markey that is truly 120 HZ yet. They just insert their own frames in to a 60 HZ signal.


I'm no techno buff, but my LCD is 200Hz. Would that not be truly 120Hz at least

The signal that your TV can take is not 120/200hz. It still 60 hz (I guess 50hz where you live).

What your TV does is it takes the 50HZ and inserts its own frame between each frame it gets from the signal. It looks much nicer than 50 hz...but it still doesn't give a feel of true motion like lasma does. I actuallly find it a bit weird...doesn't look natural on some movies.

Plasmas do 100 hz, in and out. Latest DLPs do 120 hz. LCDs will do true 120 hz as of next...july maybe...next year. Its coming!!!! :)



Dr.Grass on 26 December 2009
jake_the_fake1 said:

Oh and in case your curious what issues we have, LED burning in...basically it's like 1st gen plasma's again, not as bad of course but it's one of top reasons customers call up, it makes it worse when they just spent 7k AUS on the dam thing...I don't get these people, they won't buy a top of the line Pionner plasma cuz 7k is to much, but hey they are buying 1st gen LED for 7k...argh some people just don't have comon sense...or the Samsung marketing a hella good XD


The LED marketing (even here in S.A) is F*CKING good! They're really using the fact that the panels are SO thin to make it seem like anything else is crap. If I wanted a LED I'd have had to pay almost double what I paid for my LCD. And since mine wasn't exactly at an entry-level price either, that really makes you think.

Thanks for the heads up, because I was certainly fooled into believing that LED is simply superior in every way to LCD and PLASMA. In fact, this is only due to the marketing behind it.