@Blue I remember it because it came up around the time there were big arguments about the cost of Killzone 2. I used it as an example to prove that Killzone 2 was not the most expensive release.

@Red: The data seems to show in the demographics and the games bought. The traditional PS1/2 franchises and the games which have a long pedigree have done better on the PS3 relative to the Xbox 360 and the new I.P or recent I.P games have done relatively better on the Xbox 360. In addition to this the Playstation audience tends to be slightly older than the Xbox 360 audience with the latter appealing a lot to teens and 20 year olds with the Playstation audience skewed towards the thirties more.

If comparing the Xbox 360 to PS3 around the world. Where the PS3 is doing better relative to the Xbox 360 are also areas where the PS2 did better relative to the Xbox compared to say America where the Xbox 1 did the best against the PS2 so does the Xbox 360 do the best against the PS3. Im not saying that Sony haven't done good work as well this generation, all im saying is that they had a natural advantage which has helped to keep them in the game. No console not called Playstation has survived by launching at 600 Euro or 5-600 Dollars.

Killzone 2 cost 27 million Euros to make. For comparisons sake Halo 3 cost $71million. According to a bonafide Sony employee on a different forum. Sonys most expensive game is likely GT5 at $60million as Yamauchi mentioned. The only new ip on xbox that has had blockbuster sales is Gears which tallies with xbox having captured the shooter crowd while ps3 has a more diverse userbase. Put Halo3 on ps3 and my betting is it'd have sub 5 million sales. Which also tallies with Sonys business direction with having multiple quality games in all genres while MS release multiple Halo, Gears games.

I retort with the blind assertion that Sony is following the path of General Motors.

1. Rely on brand name and past success.

2. Release vehicles unsuitable to the market conditions.

3. Be unable to change due to management inertia

4. Discount said vehicles heavily to maintain market share/production but post massive losses.

5. Go bankrupt at the first sign of industry wide trouble.

6. Get bailed out by the government.

P.S. If the Xbox 360 was following the same path of HD-DVD it wouldn't have lasted for four years, actually post two years of profit and it wouldn't still be selling now would it? This generation DVD beat Blu Ray btw if you count the install base of the Wii + 360 combined and compare it to the PS3.

No I don't want Sony to fail. I just think that everyones getting too optimistic about things so I decided to provide doses of reality like the fact that the Wii is still more successful than any console previously released and that the Sony / Microsoft business models suck. Sonys is the original suckyness of the razor/blade mentality and Microsofts is a slightly improved but still sucky model next to the Nintendo model of 'how things are meant to be done'.

I retort with the blind assertion that Sony is following the path of General Motors.

1. Rely on brand name and past success.

2. Release vehicles unsuitable to the market conditions.

3. Be unable to change due to management inertia

4. Discount said vehicles heavily to maintain market share/production but post massive losses.

5. Go bankrupt at the first sign of industry wide trouble.

6. Get bailed out by the government.

P.S. If the Xbox 360 was following the same path of HD-DVD it wouldn't have lasted for four years, actually post two years of profit and it wouldn't still be selling now would it? This generation DVD beat Blu Ray btw if you count the install base of the Wii + 360 combined and compare it to the PS3.

No I don't want Sony to fail. I just think that everyones getting too optimistic about things so I decided to provide doses of reality like the fact that the Wii is still more successful than any console previously released and that the Sony / Microsoft business models suck. Sonys is the original suckyness of the razor/blade mentality and Microsofts is a slightly improved but still sucky model next to the Nintendo model of 'how things are meant to be done'.

That's what surprises me about next year... For once, we don't know what Sony have planned (for Q3/Q4).

Sony, for once... Are keeping there cards close to there chest. Can't wait to see what (if anything) they have planned. My guess is at E3 we will see some big things... If the leaks dont happen

You know $71M is a lot of money. Gears of War cost realistically less than $20M incl engine + free help from Microsoft, its pretty hard to believe that Halo 3 would cost more than half that much. I believe my guy was talking about the programming costs and not the artistic costs so theres the difference between God of War and Killzone and GT5.

The only new console  to have blockbuster sales w/o any IP's???? Yep I thought as much.

If the PS3 has such a diverse userbase then why do they sell almost as many copies of Call of Duty, taking into account install base differences?