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@Soriku: Maybe, but the initial shipments game get are so small that they could end up being sold out if the game turns to be a hit. But shipment for Wii games have been very small, outside of sequels which retailers totally overestimate.



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I will never understand the blindness shown by fans. It just amazes me.

"Final Fantasy always goes to the graphical system"
Sega > NES
Genesis > SNES
N64 > PS1
360/GC > PS2

It's not just this comment either. there are tons of them.

Dragon Quest X should be on HD. Yet DQ9 is selling extremely well on apparently a casual machine.

It's simple. Square screwed themselves up. Big time. That's why this gen has been awful for them. Yes FF13 will do well, but that's more a "finally" and it's a single game. Right near the beginning Jarrod pointed out the real reason why theres trouble. Square like many assumed Sony PS3 would be the market lead. Much like many assumed that N64 was going to take that generation. However things are different when they jumped ship back then. PS1 was released first before finding out that N64 was horrible to develop for and wasn't going to sell well. SE invested everything in Sony and didn't feel there would be a problem.

This however has shot them in leg. RPG are very long term development, I don't think anyone would argue that. When the hands were played Sony didn't have a good hand. Square was left in a BAD position. They ended up investing in financially the wrong machine. They quickly took actions to alleviate that problem by having remakes for the DS come out. It's not that they were worried that FF13 wouldn't make money. Is was more a matter of maintaining financial stability and operations until the game could provide that burst sale. After continued time that the PS3 wasn't showing the traction they clearly decided to experiment with the 360.

The 360 problem. It's a fine a machine that works well. The problem. Japan is the important JRPG and 360 doesn't have much a foot hold there. Solution grow the western 360 gaming market. The problem with that is that most JRPG fans rightly thought that the PS3 like the PS2 would be the JRPG king. So even in the west most of the JRPG fans went PS3.(this is really interesting that it shows how much HD Westerns really want Japanese games. Having the smallest market share and all). So SE now sees that it's core loyal fans are on the PS3 and how much of there sales are from the non core fans. Since a majority of the non core fans are on 360 and the Wii.

So now Square is highly invested in the PS3 and only it's core fans. While they chisel away and creating a new market else where. They don't have choice. The costs of JRPG is really high and to dependent on the burst sales of only it's core fans would spell doom. Square is avoiding the Wii because of the already highly invested resources of Square IP into Sony. At least the resources are easier to bring over the 360 because were it lacks in one area it makes up in another.

As for Enix. Enix is pretty much Enix. Patient and smart. Yes DQ Swords wasn't some massive world hit, but heck the original DQ Swords wasn't either. They probably weren't expecting it to be. Though watching Enix carefully you notice that DQ9 has done really well. When DQ10 comes out it will do very well.

Yes I am aware that Square Enix is One company, but if you look at their IP directions you can clearly see two different behaviors. Square is impulsive while Enix is more taking a business savvy approach.

Next Gen SE will be working as a singular company at least from it's appearance and will be very strongly a fully multi platform company. They just can't afford not to be.



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trestres said:
@jarrod: No, the FMA game was released last week, they've got nothing else coming up.

As for the FFCC:CB comment shows how little confidence they have on a game with the FF name on it, so imagine how they would feel about a minor franchise of them or a new IP. DQ is the only thing the Wii will get.

Ack, I meant that Miffy game.  Comes out in March.

And Kawazu's comments about Crystal Bearers were only in relation to the game itself likely having difficulty finding an audience, he prefaced it by also saying it's not even an RPG.  On the other hand when it comes to actual RPGs, DQ Swords did amazingly well, Chocobo Dungeon did okay and their WiiWare RPGs seem to be doing decently considering they're throwing it more support than XBLA or PSN.



@Soriku: But they are giving them games, Wii is not getting any from them.



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@jarrod: What's that game that comes out in March?



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PS3 is the only system that will support their games on one disc, 360 needs 3



2010 Hardware Sales Predictions

Wii: 20m- Sales will drop, but not by much.

PS3: 13.5m- It sold 12m in 2009, its only common sense it will sell more this year.

Xbox 360: 11m- It sold 11m in 2008 and 2009, I think it will sell the same.

My Fanboy Speech...

Why do you have to make excuses to defend a product that you purchased, but that's the only connection you have to it, you don't make it, you don't lose or gain money on it. I don't see where all of the defensiveness comes in, there is no reason for you or anybody else to feel obligated to defend it. Now I would understand if one of you were a developer for the product and you slaved over said product only to hear somebody call it stupid or a piece of junk. But none of you developed it, none of you are mature enough to realize that. Choosing a product all comes down to preference, you chose said product because it is best for you. Simple as that!

trestres said:
@jarrod: What's that game that comes out in March?

Some licensed minigame collection for kids based off a popular kids book franchise.  From the same line as their DS Snoopy and Pengu games last year.  There was a Miffy DS game too iirc.

 



@jarrod: This game??????? http://news.dengeki.com/soft/info/detail/21102/

The Wii is better off without any support than with this kind of crap.



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Only FF or DQ could save the 360 in Japan but I think the Japanese protectionism will never allow such a thing to happen lol

Joking apart, I can't imagine Final Fantasy 13 being developed on lower specs systems such as Wii, DS or PSP. Graphics is now one of the main selling point of the series and these consoles can't deliver enough power to achieve the creators' vision. That would be a sort of regression and the core staff of the game will never accept that (especially Yoshinori Kitase and Tetsuya Nomura, these guys are really ambitious).



trestres said:
@jarrod: This game??????? http://news.dengeki.com/soft/info/detail/21102/

The Wii is better off without any support than with this kind of crap.

Maybe.  Probably.  But it's still another SE game all the same.  One of probably many more to come.