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Carl on 18 December 2009
Strategyking92 said:
Carl2291 said:
 

So i misread what you wrote... Who gives a shit?

The point still stands, you are wrong. FF13 is an RPG.

As much as you preach you don't actually prove it.

Do i need to?

Square Enix call it an RPG.

Every gaming website in the world related to it has it's genre as some form of "RPG or "JRPG".

But hey... If you want to play it that way... Mass Effect 2 is a third person shooter with RPG elements



                            

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Carl on 18 December 2009

Oh, and just to add something... Seeing that we are on VGChartz.

Direct from VGC Final Fantasy XIII page.

"Genre
RPG"



                            

nofingershaha on 18 December 2009
Carl2291 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Carl2291 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Carl2291 said:
 

How about if me, and millions more people do?

Even the games developers, and publishers, and the owners of the consoles the games release on?

Or... Should we all listen to the ramblings of a few forum-goers?

how about we analyze a bit, eh?

an RPG to you means having a character where the only things you customize are their name and abilities. But you get to be in a role in the story. Which is what I assume you are trying to say. But the fact is, the story is a pre determined one. When you look back at what RPG video games are based on, D&D and of the like, Mass effect (and many other wrpg's) is more of an RPG than FF  and most JRPG's are, due to the customization and story options.

So what you are saying is, if a main character has been given a name and is fully voice acted... It is impossible to be an RPG?

Y'know what, im gonna make a thread with a poll. Just to prove you wrong.

Considering the JRPG  & anime fanbase it is obviously skewed.

and no, that is not what I'm saying. I don't know how to make what I said simpler so you are just a lost cause...

final fantasy no rpg... not enough rpg elements.. Simple enough? ff = Call of duty as an rpg. comprendo? Simple enough? What?

So i misread what you wrote... Who gives a shit?

The point still stands, you are wrong. FF13 is an RPG.

If you look at the RPG genre history, after Ultima there was a split between Western RPG and Japanese RPG philosophy due to the console market crash of the 80s. While Western developers focus more on pc, consoles were still thriving in Japan and Enix released Dragon Quest which became the father of the JRPG genre. 

To put it simply, classifying Final Fantasy XIII as a RPG is incorrect since it is actually a JRPG. It is the same for Mass Effect 2 since it is not just a RPG but a WRPG.

The term RPG is now too generic to classify two genres which now is nearly completely different from one another.



Carl on 18 December 2009
nofingershaha said:
Carl2291 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Carl2291 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Carl2291 said:
 

How about if me, and millions more people do?

Even the games developers, and publishers, and the owners of the consoles the games release on?

Or... Should we all listen to the ramblings of a few forum-goers?

how about we analyze a bit, eh?

an RPG to you means having a character where the only things you customize are their name and abilities. But you get to be in a role in the story. Which is what I assume you are trying to say. But the fact is, the story is a pre determined one. When you look back at what RPG video games are based on, D&D and of the like, Mass effect (and many other wrpg's) is more of an RPG than FF  and most JRPG's are, due to the customization and story options.

So what you are saying is, if a main character has been given a name and is fully voice acted... It is impossible to be an RPG?

Y'know what, im gonna make a thread with a poll. Just to prove you wrong.

Considering the JRPG  & anime fanbase it is obviously skewed.

and no, that is not what I'm saying. I don't know how to make what I said simpler so you are just a lost cause...

final fantasy no rpg... not enough rpg elements.. Simple enough? ff = Call of duty as an rpg. comprendo? Simple enough? What?

So i misread what you wrote... Who gives a shit?

The point still stands, you are wrong. FF13 is an RPG.

If you look at the RPG genre history, after Ultima there was a split between Western RPG and Japanese RPG philosophy due to the console market crash of the 80s. While Western developers focus more on pc, consoles were still thriving in Japan and Enix released Dragon Quest which became the father of the JRPG genre. 

To put it simply, classifying Final Fantasy XIII as a RPG is incorrect since it is actually a JRPG. It is the same for Mass Effect 2 since it is not just a RPG but a WRPG.

The term RPG is now too generic to classify two genres which now is nearly completely different from one another.

Yet both games are still in the RPG genre. Just, they can be put into sub-genre's if needed.



                            

FaRmLaNd on 18 December 2009

Theres very little roleplaying in the traditional sense in JRPGS compared to their western counterparts.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 18 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
LOL I doubt theres a JRPG than can take out Mass Effect 2 next year. It's just a dominant RPG as is.

Final Fantasy XIII may have something to say about that young man!


Final Fantasy will be the best JRPG and will sell well but as far as quality and truer RPG elements are concerned Mass Effect 2 all the way.:)

Of course we know the issue of quality will be subjective. According to many, it's also a field where it's rarely lacked....


Quality can be subjective, yes, as in 'eye of the beholder' beauty. Theres also objective quality which is based upon value in its genre and what it offers above and beyond. It's no contest really in an objective sense. Thats where I am getting at. Final Fantasy is a big story which you just play out with the old RPG turn based system. Mass Effect 2 is much more than just that.

I guess that's a subject we'll always disagree on, Final Fantasy is much more than that descritption in my opinion.

Final Fantasy is just a story with a battle system. Prove me wrong. I would love to see it your rebuttal.

Well, this isn't a contest of right and wrong S.T.A.G.E. I have an opinion, as do you. They differ, so what?

I respect your opinion, usually you explain it even though we agree to disagree at times. This is one of the few times you never explained though.

It's quite simple really, Final Fantasy (at least to me) has never been just a turn-based, story driven experience and that's all. Final Fantasy played different from other games during it's times of infancy, in the same genre, and being the top franchise (PS1 gen). It also is one of the indunstry's largest franchises, that's hard to do. Looking at it now, Mass Effect isn't comparable to Final Fantasy in many respects, in fact they're completely different. You think Mass Effect has a quality that Final fantasy is missing. I disagree...

Final Fantasy, outside from being one of the most desired games/franchises in the bizz, really evolves with each new installment. That's quite a feat for a franchsie that's 20+ years old. All I'm saying is, be happy for Mass Effect, I know I am, it's a great franchise. But don't knock Final Fantasy just because you don't favor it and then attack anyone who opposes. I said my opinion differs from yours, and clearly now you should see why. I see nothing wrong with opposes to my opinion as well, but just know that i can't prove you wrong on your assessment, as you can't prove me wrong on mine. There's no right or wrong outlook here, just how you approach a given situation.

I blame myself for this one though, I sarcastically brought up Final Fantasy and people took it too serious, and in essence, derailed my own thread. Ah well.....

Yes, we'll message each other about it. I know I am responding to the earlier post but this has the richest text.



dobby985 on 18 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
THERE IS NO competition for Mass Effect in the WRPG genre

well unless Fable 3 makes it next year, sorry but I'm biased towards britain!

What other WRPG can stand up to it in 2010?!

{note I have not said RPG, I am sure you all know why}

Diablo III



ShadowSoldier on 18 December 2009

So were just going to ignore the fact that Final Fantasy's have not only been about Story and interesting combat but:

Leveling Up?
Customizing Abilities and Weapons?
Exploration?
Vasts amount of Sidequest and Missions
Monster Hunting?
Looting?

Come on now stop the fuckin bullshit already. Final Fantasy isnt an RPG! And I notice its only 360 fans bringing this argument up while PS3 fans defend it? Why is that?



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heruamon on 19 December 2009

I don't think FF13 is going to outsell ME2 on the 360..in fact, I'm almost certian of it, but I DO believe that overall, with it being multi-platform, it's going to outsell it by a wide margin...profits are profits.



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Bagaren85 on 19 December 2009

ME2 ftw!

Cant wait to play the sequal :P