nordlead said: Senlis said: Oblivion. God, I hate that game. It made me think that it would be fun this time, but ended up disappointing me every time. This summarizes my feelings on the game. uhh... yea, the point was to list games you like, but don't live up to the hype, not games you hate...

Threat title was vague.

Very well, I choose FFVII.

Bioshock and Batman AA.

I wouldn't call them bad games (maybe Bioshock) but I have no idea why they recieve as much praise as they do. Devs should spend more time/money on gameplay and less on 'atmosphere' and story.

Mise said: Oh, I've ran into so many of these over the years, so I'll just list some of the more recent ones. Bioshock - Was supposed to be something that revolutionized shooters, and ended up being a watered down steampunk version of System Shock 2. Still better than most grey/brown shooters that come out nowadays. Mass Effect - Would've worked a lot better as a miniseries than an actual game. Liked the universe, liked the characters, liked the setting, but the gameplay... When you spend hours reading the codex entries and conversing with the characters, but start running through all the action sequences midway thru the game because you just don't want to do them anymore, even though your victory is a foregone conclusion, you know the game's flawed. Dragon Age: Origins - It's Neverwinter Nights: Special Edition with Biowares homebrew rules. 'Nuff said.

Really? It's because you read the codex entries that you find the action following everything interesting. To each their own I guess.

I think Super Mario Galaxy is a good game, but the easy difficulty really makes the game uninteresting. The soundtrack and a few levels are very original though. Hopefully, SMG2 will have more to show!

And why do I put difficulty as a reason why I think the game is not as great as it's cracked up to be? The replay value. Do I seriously want to replay an easy game more than two times? I've seen everything there is to see, no new enemy attack patterns, no new increased platform difficulty, no "extra 1-life challenge mode" or something, etc.. I'm one of those guys that believe difficulty levels would work great in a Mario game (and I've discussed this many times, especially with Khuutra).

de Blob - Good game but it felt repetitive after a while.

FFVII - A great JRPG, just not the gift from God some people make it sound like.

God of War - Again, good game but I don't think it's that good.

nordlead said: Xen said: Ocarina of Time. Fun, but I don't get exactly get why it's considered be the greatest game of all time by some... you probably aren't old enough to have lived through it and according to your sig you started with a PS1. By todays standards it is a good game, but at the time it was revolutionary. This game is up there with Mario 64, Super Mario World, The Legend of Zelda (NES), The Legend of Zelda: A Link to The Past in terms of how many times I beat the game. Most people who revisit it probably won't be as impressed as those who got it when it first came out.

Then I'll chime in, because I agree with Xen. Yes, it was a good game. But it was too easy; the exploration factor for me just felt lacking. It was the first Zelda game I found every item in without having to look anything up. And I don't recall dying much, either. Overall, it didn't really wow me.

However, my game of choice for this is NSMBWii. It's a great game... until the play control screws me. I can not see this in good conscious as GOTY when playing the game itself is a chore in how steady I can hold the Wiimote. And don't get me started on some of the other games, like FF7. If I let the game stand on its own, it's okay. I'm more disappointed in how it's a Final Fantasy, especially when compared to the prior 3.

Grand Theft Auto IV.

I know its one everyone hates on, but despite buying it on day-1, I have not beat it. I can think of other sandbox games that are more enjoyable such as Saints Row and Crackdown.

Senlis said: nordlead said: Senlis said: Oblivion. God, I hate that game. It made me think that it would be fun this time, but ended up disappointing me every time. This summarizes my feelings on the game. uhh... yea, the point was to list games you like, but don't live up to the hype, not games you hate... Thread title was vague. Very well, I choose FFVII.

The OP however, was not

Mass Effect - good but not great IMHO. Weak side quests that take place in barren landscapes, boring central character - Shepard typifies exactly what is wrong with most staid SF writing as he is a total bore - and rather average gameplay and interface. Not bad plot even if it is borrowing from many years of SF history and decent writing but nothing amazing. I'm hoping that Mass Effect 2 will be the game many make Mass Effect out to be. One note - I played it on PC so perhaps the weak interface was down to a poor translation from console, but either way if you release a game on PC I expect a decent interface that works well with a mouse.

Bioshock - good but again not great IMHO. Watered down version of System Shock that loses to much on the RPG side for average FPS mechanics and rather silly Big Daddy battles. Great art design and decent plot with one great twist and a few standout missions, but it was uneven in structure and went completely off the rails at the end. Again, I have high hopes Bioshock 2 will be the game many make Bioshock out to be.

God of War 1 & 2- very good but actually rather dull hack'n'slash mechanic. I love the story, character and narrative, but in the end the gameplay isn't that deep and the QTEs are rubbish - but then all QTEs pretty much are so far in games. But not the amazing God of gaming that majority claims IMHO.

Metal Gear Solid 4 (only one I've played) - decent story and gameplay but movement and interaction is weak for today, the plot is horribly overstated in delivery and the guy needs to hire a proper editor for every cutscene and listen to the guy (or gal). I enjoyed it, but with such archaic controls/actions it just isn't the amazing experience I expected from a gameplay perspective - I mean c'mon, Snake can climb onto one low cardboard box but not a shoulder high crate? I did love some of the set pieces and missions, but comparing its narrative to say Uncharted 2 it's clear that it's tied to an older set of ideas of character movement and interaction and level design. It does have decent stealth, but I think it lags Splinter Cell now in that regard. The boss fights are too over-extended too - particularly Vamp if I remember correctly, although to be fair I did experience probably the intended sense of satisfaction when I finally sank the syringe into the bugger.

Uncharted 2 - actually no, that's near perfect. Just kidding.

I was going to put in Halo 2 and Halo 3 (for SP campaign only, the MP is very, very good as advertisded) - but I really don't want to get into that arguementfest!

Reasonable said: Mass Effect - good but not great IMHO. Weak side quests that take place in barren landscapes, boring central character - Shepard typifies exactly what is wrong with most staid SF writing as he is a total bore - and rather average gameplay and interface. Not bad plot even if it is borrowing from many years of SF history and decent writing but nothing amazing. I'm hoping that Mass Effect 2 will be the game many make Mass Effect out to be. One note - I played it on PC so perhaps the weak interface was down to a poor translation from console, but either way if you release a game on PC I expect a decent interface that works well with a mouse. Bioshock - good but again not great IMHO. Watered down version of System Shock that loses to much on the RPG side for average FPS mechanics and rather silly Big Daddy battles. Great art design and decent plot with one great twist and a few standout missions, but it was uneven in structure and went completely off the rails at the end. Again, I have high hopes Bioshock 2 will be the game many make Bioshock out to be. God of War 1 & 2- very good but actually rather dull hack'n'slash mechanic. I love the story, character and narrative, but in the end the gameplay isn't that deep and the QTEs are rubbish - but then all QTEs pretty much are so far in games. But not the amazing God of gaming that majority claims IMHO. Metal Gear Solid 4 (only one I've played) - decent story and gameplay but movement and interaction is weak for today, the plot is horribly overstated in delivery and the guy needs to hire a proper editor for every cutscene and listen to the guy (or gal). I enjoyed it, but with such archaic controls/actions it just isn't the amazing experience I expected from a gameplay perspective - I mean c'mon, Snake can climb onto one low cardboard box but not a shoulder high crate? I did love some of the set pieces and missions, but comparing its narrative to say Uncharted 2 it's clear that it's tied to an older set of ideas of character movement and interaction and level design. It does have decent stealth, but I think it lags Splinter Cell now in that regard. The boss fights are too over-extended too - particularly Vamp if I remember correctly, although to be fair I did experience probably the intended sense of satisfaction when I finally sank the syringe into the bugger. Uncharted 2 - actually no, that's near perfect. Just kidding. I was going to put in Halo 2 and Halo 3 (for SP campaign only, the MP is very, very good as advertisded) - but I really don't want to get into that arguementfest!

I noticed a lot of PC gamers have the same sentiment about the 2 games, and I can understand it. I would include those games in my too cracked up list, but at the same time, as you've stated, these are the first of their series, and there's bound to be mistakes. But what makes up for this is the fact that they have a lot of unexplored potential, like Assassin's Creed 1, and this was rectified with ACII. I've the same faith in their sequels.

As for the blue: I honestly feel if you started the series from the MSX2 PC days, like I did, and onwards, you'd truly be able to appreciate Metal Gear (or not, that would be for you to decide).

 

-My $0.02

huaxiong90 said: Reasonable said: Mass Effect - good but not great IMHO. Weak side quests that take place in barren landscapes, boring central character - Shepard typifies exactly what is wrong with most staid SF writing as he is a total bore - and rather average gameplay and interface. Not bad plot even if it is borrowing from many years of SF history and decent writing but nothing amazing. I'm hoping that Mass Effect 2 will be the game many make Mass Effect out to be. One note - I played it on PC so perhaps the weak interface was down to a poor translation from console, but either way if you release a game on PC I expect a decent interface that works well with a mouse. Bioshock - good but again not great IMHO. Watered down version of System Shock that loses to much on the RPG side for average FPS mechanics and rather silly Big Daddy battles. Great art design and decent plot with one great twist and a few standout missions, but it was uneven in structure and went completely off the rails at the end. Again, I have high hopes Bioshock 2 will be the game many make Bioshock out to be. God of War 1 & 2- very good but actually rather dull hack'n'slash mechanic. I love the story, character and narrative, but in the end the gameplay isn't that deep and the QTEs are rubbish - but then all QTEs pretty much are so far in games. But not the amazing God of gaming that majority claims IMHO. Metal Gear Solid 4 (only one I've played) - decent story and gameplay but movement and interaction is weak for today, the plot is horribly overstated in delivery and the guy needs to hire a proper editor for every cutscene and listen to the guy (or gal). I enjoyed it, but with such archaic controls/actions it just isn't the amazing experience I expected from a gameplay perspective - I mean c'mon, Snake can climb onto one low cardboard box but not a shoulder high crate? I did love some of the set pieces and missions, but comparing its narrative to say Uncharted 2 it's clear that it's tied to an older set of ideas of character movement and interaction and level design. It does have decent stealth, but I think it lags Splinter Cell now in that regard. The boss fights are too over-extended too - particularly Vamp if I remember correctly, although to be fair I did experience probably the intended sense of satisfaction when I finally sank the syringe into the bugger. Uncharted 2 - actually no, that's near perfect. Just kidding. I was going to put in Halo 2 and Halo 3 (for SP campaign only, the MP is very, very good as advertisded) - but I really don't want to get into that arguementfest! I noticed a lot of PC gamers have the same sentiment about the 2 games, and I can understand it. I would include those games in my too cracked up list, but at the same time, as you've stated, these are the first of their series, and there's bound to be mistakes. But what makes up for this is the fact that they have a lot of unexplored potential, like Assassin's Creed 1, and this was rectified with ACII. I've the same faith in their sequels. As for the blue: I honestly feel if you started the series from the MSX2 PC days, like I did, and onwards, you'd truly be able to appreciate Metal Gear (or not, that would be for you to decide).   -My $0.02

Yeah, I've noticed PC gamers like but aren't amazed by ME and Bioshock.  MGS4 you may be right.  The gameplay just felt a little off right from the start for me (although I appreciate the polish the game has, in that it is superb).  I read the MGS databse prior to play (when stuff from MGS4 is locked out) so I didn't struggle with the plot, but I suspect if I was used to the controls from the start it wouldn't seem so odd.  I just kept wishing why can't I move this guy like Sam in Splinter Cell?

 

I found AC2 to be a huge leap from the first, really good.  And looking at released material I am pretty hopeful that ME2, Bioshock 2, etc. are really going to deliver fully on their excellent premise.