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twesterm on 21 December 2009
coolestguyever said:
bobobologna said:
dsister44 said:
coolestguyever said:
What bothers me is when they steal games from the small developers/publisher that actually NEED the money.

I don't feel as bad if someone pirates an Activision/EA game as I would if they pirated a game like InFamous or Uncharted or something.

Since when is Sony a small company?

 

Sucker Punch however, is small and they probably want the money they deserve.

This. I meant Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog, not Sony. If somebody pirates a game the dev isn't getting money either I would assume.

Yeah, people love to forget that devs actually have bills, families to feed, and deserve to be paid for their work too. 

It's easy to pirate a game when you pretend you're taking money away from some Bobby Kotick, not when you're taking money away from someone who spent years of their life pouring blood, sweat, and tears into the game.



 

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Smashed on 21 December 2009
twesterm said:
coolestguyever said:
bobobologna said:
dsister44 said:
coolestguyever said:
What bothers me is when they steal games from the small developers/publisher that actually NEED the money.

I don't feel as bad if someone pirates an Activision/EA game as I would if they pirated a game like InFamous or Uncharted or something.

Since when is Sony a small company?

 

Sucker Punch however, is small and they probably want the money they deserve.

This. I meant Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog, not Sony. If somebody pirates a game the dev isn't getting money either I would assume.

Yeah, people love to forget that devs actually have bills, families to feed, and deserve to be paid for their work too. 

It's easy to pirate a game when you pretend you're taking money away from some Bobby Kotick, not when you're taking money away from someone who spent years of their life pouring blood, sweat, and tears into the game.

Why would I support and give my own money to something I might not even like?

Again... If the game is garbage I'll probably just finish it and remove it from my computer, if it's good I'll play the first few levels and then buy the game.

Simple as that.



twesterm on 21 December 2009
Smashed said:
twesterm said:
coolestguyever said:
bobobologna said:
dsister44 said:
coolestguyever said:
What bothers me is when they steal games from the small developers/publisher that actually NEED the money.

I don't feel as bad if someone pirates an Activision/EA game as I would if they pirated a game like InFamous or Uncharted or something.

Since when is Sony a small company?

 

Sucker Punch however, is small and they probably want the money they deserve.

This. I meant Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog, not Sony. If somebody pirates a game the dev isn't getting money either I would assume.

Yeah, people love to forget that devs actually have bills, families to feed, and deserve to be paid for their work too. 

It's easy to pirate a game when you pretend you're taking money away from some Bobby Kotick, not when you're taking money away from someone who spent years of their life pouring blood, sweat, and tears into the game.

Why would I support and give my own money to something I might not even like?

Again... If the game is garbage I'll probably just finish it and remove it from my computer, if it's good I'll play the first few levels and then buy the game.

Simple as that.

The thing is though you still get something from that game.  Even just a demo doesn't guarantee that you'll love a game, it's just a chance you take with anything.

Especially if you finish the game, you should buy it.  It's insulting enough to hear that you simply do that, but to say that you actually go so far as to finish it and then say eh, I don't like it *delete* and then be done with it is just terribly insulting.

After going to a movie, if you didn't like it do you demand your money back?  Or do you just try the same thing and not pay for the movie until after it's over and only if you like it?

Hopefully one day you'll grow out of those terrible teen years where you think you deserve everything, life is simple, and you think you know everything...



 

Smashed on 21 December 2009
twesterm said:
Smashed said:
twesterm said:
coolestguyever said:
bobobologna said:
dsister44 said:
coolestguyever said:
What bothers me is when they steal games from the small developers/publisher that actually NEED the money.

I don't feel as bad if someone pirates an Activision/EA game as I would if they pirated a game like InFamous or Uncharted or something.

Since when is Sony a small company?

 

Sucker Punch however, is small and they probably want the money they deserve.

This. I meant Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog, not Sony. If somebody pirates a game the dev isn't getting money either I would assume.

Yeah, people love to forget that devs actually have bills, families to feed, and deserve to be paid for their work too. 

It's easy to pirate a game when you pretend you're taking money away from some Bobby Kotick, not when you're taking money away from someone who spent years of their life pouring blood, sweat, and tears into the game.

Why would I support and give my own money to something I might not even like?

Again... If the game is garbage I'll probably just finish it and remove it from my computer, if it's good I'll play the first few levels and then buy the game.

Simple as that.

The thing is though you still get something from that game.  Even just a demo doesn't guarantee that you'll love a game, it's just a chance you take with anything.

Especially if you finish the game, you should buy it.  It's insulting enough to hear that you simply do that, but to say that you actually go so far as to finish it and then say eh, I don't like it *delete* and then be done with it is just terribly insulting.

After going to a movie, if you didn't like it do you demand your money back?  Or do you just try the same thing and not pay for the movie until after it's over and only if you like it?

Hopefully one day you'll grow out of those terrible teen years where you think you deserve everything, life is simple, and you think you know everything...

I try before I buy, sorry.

It's my money, remember? I wouldn't go to a movie that I think I wouldn't like. For example : The new movie 'Avatar' that just came out, first when I heard of I thought it was going to be stupid... until I saw the trailer.. I went to the movie the day it came out, and it's safe to say it was a fucking awesome movie.

See how such a little taste before you buy changes everything? Maybe not for you, but for me. That's like saying : Well... if you buy our game for $60+, you MIGHT like it.

Like I said before, if they had a demo for every game that released, I wouldn't pirate games as much.



bobobologna on 21 December 2009
Smashed said:
twesterm said:
Smashed said:
twesterm said:
coolestguyever said:
bobobologna said:
dsister44 said:
coolestguyever said:
What bothers me is when they steal games from the small developers/publisher that actually NEED the money.

I don't feel as bad if someone pirates an Activision/EA game as I would if they pirated a game like InFamous or Uncharted or something.

Since when is Sony a small company?

 

Sucker Punch however, is small and they probably want the money they deserve.

This. I meant Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog, not Sony. If somebody pirates a game the dev isn't getting money either I would assume.

Yeah, people love to forget that devs actually have bills, families to feed, and deserve to be paid for their work too. 

It's easy to pirate a game when you pretend you're taking money away from some Bobby Kotick, not when you're taking money away from someone who spent years of their life pouring blood, sweat, and tears into the game.

Why would I support and give my own money to something I might not even like?

Again... If the game is garbage I'll probably just finish it and remove it from my computer, if it's good I'll play the first few levels and then buy the game.

Simple as that.

The thing is though you still get something from that game.  Even just a demo doesn't guarantee that you'll love a game, it's just a chance you take with anything.

Especially if you finish the game, you should buy it.  It's insulting enough to hear that you simply do that, but to say that you actually go so far as to finish it and then say eh, I don't like it *delete* and then be done with it is just terribly insulting.

After going to a movie, if you didn't like it do you demand your money back?  Or do you just try the same thing and not pay for the movie until after it's over and only if you like it?

Hopefully one day you'll grow out of those terrible teen years where you think you deserve everything, life is simple, and you think you know everything...

I try before I buy, sorry.

It's my money, remember? I wouldn't go to a movie that I think I wouldn't like. For example : The new movie 'Avatar' that just came out, first when I heard of I thought it was going to be stupid... until I saw the trailer.. I went to the movie the day it came out, and it's safe to say it was a fucking awesome movie.

See how such a little taste before you buy changes everything? Maybe not for you, but for me. That's like saying : Well... if you buy our game for $60+, you MIGHT like it.

Like I said before, if they had a demo for every game that released, I wouldn't pirate games as much.

I have to agree with twesterm.  It's ridiculous that the game is good enough for you to play and finish beating, but not good enough for your money.  While I don't think that pirating is ok in any circumstance, I would have at least understood your reasoning if you said that you just try the game for a while, then don't finish and delete the game if you don't like it.

But to finish a game that you don't like?  I think you are fooling yourself and trying to justify your piracy.  And doing a poor job at that.



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twesterm on 21 December 2009
Smashed said:
twesterm said:
Smashed said:
twesterm said:
coolestguyever said:
bobobologna said:
dsister44 said:
coolestguyever said:
What bothers me is when they steal games from the small developers/publisher that actually NEED the money.

I don't feel as bad if someone pirates an Activision/EA game as I would if they pirated a game like InFamous or Uncharted or something.

Since when is Sony a small company?

 

Sucker Punch however, is small and they probably want the money they deserve.

This. I meant Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog, not Sony. If somebody pirates a game the dev isn't getting money either I would assume.

Yeah, people love to forget that devs actually have bills, families to feed, and deserve to be paid for their work too. 

It's easy to pirate a game when you pretend you're taking money away from some Bobby Kotick, not when you're taking money away from someone who spent years of their life pouring blood, sweat, and tears into the game.

Why would I support and give my own money to something I might not even like?

Again... If the game is garbage I'll probably just finish it and remove it from my computer, if it's good I'll play the first few levels and then buy the game.

Simple as that.

The thing is though you still get something from that game.  Even just a demo doesn't guarantee that you'll love a game, it's just a chance you take with anything.

Especially if you finish the game, you should buy it.  It's insulting enough to hear that you simply do that, but to say that you actually go so far as to finish it and then say eh, I don't like it *delete* and then be done with it is just terribly insulting.

After going to a movie, if you didn't like it do you demand your money back?  Or do you just try the same thing and not pay for the movie until after it's over and only if you like it?

Hopefully one day you'll grow out of those terrible teen years where you think you deserve everything, life is simple, and you think you know everything...

I try before I buy, sorry.

It's my money, remember? I wouldn't go to a movie that I think I wouldn't like. For example : The new movie 'Avatar' that just came out, first when I heard of I thought it was going to be stupid... until I saw the trailer.. I went to the movie the day it came out, and it's safe to say it was a fucking awesome movie.

See how such a little taste before you buy changes everything? Maybe not for you, but for me. That's like saying : Well... if you buy our game for $60+, you MIGHT like it.

Like I said before, if they had a demo for every game that released, I wouldn't pirate games as much.

So you can't watch a game trailer or gameplay videos?

-edit-

Also, it's A LOT of work to release a demo.  It's not just pick a section of a game and say GO!  Demo's are generally completed before the game is actually completed and that's just a lot of work to make.

It just really isn't a trivial task as I think you think it is to make a demo.



 

Smashed on 21 December 2009
twesterm said:
Smashed said:
twesterm said:
Smashed said:
twesterm said:
coolestguyever said:
bobobologna said:
dsister44 said:
coolestguyever said:
What bothers me is when they steal games from the small developers/publisher that actually NEED the money.

I don't feel as bad if someone pirates an Activision/EA game as I would if they pirated a game like InFamous or Uncharted or something.

Since when is Sony a small company?

 

Sucker Punch however, is small and they probably want the money they deserve.

This. I meant Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog, not Sony. If somebody pirates a game the dev isn't getting money either I would assume.

Yeah, people love to forget that devs actually have bills, families to feed, and deserve to be paid for their work too. 

It's easy to pirate a game when you pretend you're taking money away from some Bobby Kotick, not when you're taking money away from someone who spent years of their life pouring blood, sweat, and tears into the game.

Why would I support and give my own money to something I might not even like?

Again... If the game is garbage I'll probably just finish it and remove it from my computer, if it's good I'll play the first few levels and then buy the game.

Simple as that.

The thing is though you still get something from that game.  Even just a demo doesn't guarantee that you'll love a game, it's just a chance you take with anything.

Especially if you finish the game, you should buy it.  It's insulting enough to hear that you simply do that, but to say that you actually go so far as to finish it and then say eh, I don't like it *delete* and then be done with it is just terribly insulting.

After going to a movie, if you didn't like it do you demand your money back?  Or do you just try the same thing and not pay for the movie until after it's over and only if you like it?

Hopefully one day you'll grow out of those terrible teen years where you think you deserve everything, life is simple, and you think you know everything...

I try before I buy, sorry.

It's my money, remember? I wouldn't go to a movie that I think I wouldn't like. For example : The new movie 'Avatar' that just came out, first when I heard of I thought it was going to be stupid... until I saw the trailer.. I went to the movie the day it came out, and it's safe to say it was a fucking awesome movie.

See how such a little taste before you buy changes everything? Maybe not for you, but for me. That's like saying : Well... if you buy our game for $60+, you MIGHT like it.

Like I said before, if they had a demo for every game that released, I wouldn't pirate games as much.

So you can't watch a game trailer or gameplay videos?

-edit-

Also, it's A LOT of work to release a demo.  It's not just pick a section of a game and say GO!  Demo's are generally completed before the game is actually completed and that's just a lot of work to make.

It just really isn't a trivial task as I think you think it is to make a demo.

Well, here's one semi-pirate they would stop from pirating if they just made a demo, right?

I don't pirate every game that comes out, usually when either A - I don't have money for the game, or B - I'm unsure, even after watching gameplay, C - There is no demo.

 



coolestguyever on 21 December 2009
Smashed said:
twesterm said:
coolestguyever said:
bobobologna said:
dsister44 said:
coolestguyever said:
What bothers me is when they steal games from the small developers/publisher that actually NEED the money.

I don't feel as bad if someone pirates an Activision/EA game as I would if they pirated a game like InFamous or Uncharted or something.

Since when is Sony a small company?

 

Sucker Punch however, is small and they probably want the money they deserve.

This. I meant Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog, not Sony. If somebody pirates a game the dev isn't getting money either I would assume.

Yeah, people love to forget that devs actually have bills, families to feed, and deserve to be paid for their work too. 

It's easy to pirate a game when you pretend you're taking money away from some Bobby Kotick, not when you're taking money away from someone who spent years of their life pouring blood, sweat, and tears into the game.

Why would I support and give my own money to something I might not even like?

Again... If the game is garbage I'll probably just finish it and remove it from my computer, if it's good I'll play the first few levels and then buy the game.

Simple as that.

Dude at least rent it. Don't effing download it. Then at least that way blockbuster is getting money; and in turn they will buy more copies of the game.



vlad321 on 21 December 2009
twesterm said:
vlad321 said:
twesterm said:
d21lewis said:
vlad321 said:
 

I'm sorry. Pirates don't get any money for their games. Used game people do. You sell your game, the money you made off that sale belongs to the dev, not to you. At least pirates don't profit on other's back. Used gamers are FAR more ignorant, selfish, close-minded (LAWL at calling pirates close-minded, seriously?) and refuse to believe what they are doing.

I guess YOU aren't worht my time, you are just a two-faced hypocrite.

Why I'm even getting involved in this is a mystery to me but dude:  You do profit.  You gain a $60 game for free.  I have to come up with $60!  Even though the used game company is making money selling a used game, they're running a legitimate business.  And even if they weren't, how does it make it okay for you to steal because they sell something?

I wouldn't waste your time.  He refuses to actually listen to any points and any time someone starts making any kind of sense, he pulls dumb-shit arguments like that.

If he can't even realize something as basic as he's stealing games without comparing them to second hand market that's legal everywhere then like I said, he not worth my time and I doubt he's worth anyone elses.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You haven't made a single point either other than being a hypocrite.

 

As for the profit thing, you buy the game used and sell it back used, you basically did not pay anything (maybe lost $10 bucks) but the devlopers didn't see the sale of you buying it, nor when you sold it. Pirates don't make money off anything since money hasn't been transfered for anyone they give it to.

Hey, if you want to make a thread talking about how the second hand market is just as bad as piracy, I might bight, but that isn't what this thread is about.  As I said above, I have no intention of falling for your misdirection and steering the thread in another direction.  Go wildly wave your arms somewhere else.

You can say absolutely whatever you want about the second hand market but it does nothing to change the fact pirates are thieves, not gamers, but low-life scum.

You can try any of the typical justifications pirates use but in the end they are just justifications for you being cheap, greedy, and just wanting to play your games for free.  You can pretend you only want to demo them or you're sticking it to the man, but in reality you're just being a selfish greedy inconsiderate little snot.

So what are some of the justifications you like to use?

  • I want to demo the game -- if the game has a demo, get the demo, otherwise, read a review.  You may think you're being harmless but in the end I just don't believe you that you'll buy the game if you like it and even if you do, you're still supporting piracy.
  • I won't support shady DRM's -- If you don't like what someone is doing to protect their software from people like you then just don't buy the game.
  • I wouldn't have bought the game anyways -- bullshit, if you pirate the game then you obviously have some sort of interest in it. 
  • I don't have the money -- gaming isn't a right.  If you don't have the money do what everyone else does and save.  Why are you so special that you're money is worth so much more than mine and get your games for free?  If say I can't afford a game should I be able to get it for free too?
  • I'm cheap -- Ok, I can believe that one.

Did I miss any?

Seriously, just like most any justification, that is just flawed thinking and you're only making excuses to justify your wrong doings.

Ok leaving the second hand market out of this thread. Here:

Valve's opinion:

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090219/1124433835.shtml

Blizzard's opinion (5th question down on that page):

http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/204/starcraft-ii-developers-talk-single-player/2

 

It seems only shitty developers have a problem with piracy. If anything piracy is the developer's fault, not the person's. I just showed you the top 2 developers whohave released only the best games with a spotless track record (not even Nintendo can claim that) agree that piracy is the fault of the developers not serving their customers. I think people should listen to the best of the best in the industry instead of bitching like Infinity Ward and Crytek.

 



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MySonZaire on 21 December 2009
twesterm said:

Hey, if you want to make a thread talking about how the second hand market is just as bad as piracy, I might bight, but that isn't what this thread is about.  As I said above, I have no intention of falling for your misdirection and steering the thread in another direction.  Go wildly wave your arms somewhere else.

You can say absolutely whatever you want about the second hand market but it does nothing to change the fact pirates are thieves, not gamers, but low-life scum.

You can try any of the typical justifications pirates use but in the end they are just justifications for you being cheap, greedy, and just wanting to play your games for free.  You can pretend you only want to demo them or you're sticking it to the man, but in reality you're just being a selfish greedy inconsiderate little snot.

So what are some of the justifications you like to use?

  • I want to demo the game -- if the game has a demo, get the demo, otherwise, read a review.  You may think you're being harmless but in the end I just don't believe you that you'll buy the game if you like it and even if you do, you're still supporting piracy.
  • I won't support shady DRM's -- If you don't like what someone is doing to protect their software from people like you then just don't buy the game.
  • I wouldn't have bought the game anyways -- bullshit, if you pirate the game then you obviously have some sort of interest in it. 
  • I don't have the money -- gaming isn't a right.  If you don't have the money do what everyone else does and save.  Why are you so special that you're money is worth so much more than mine and get your games for free?  If say I can't afford a game should I be able to get it for free too?
  • I'm cheap -- Ok, I can believe that one.

Did I miss any?

Seriously, just like most any justification, that is just flawed thinking and you're only making excuses to justify your wrong doings.

Oh no, Twesterm doesn't believe I'll just use it as a demo.  Better cease my (literally only used to see what PC games are like pending a potential purchase) piratical ways, some random dude on the internet doesn't believe me.



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