and if I don't play online? just theasing you but really no of my friends that own a consol plays online.

To adress Hastings points:

Nice to have, but will they sell systems? Not everyone wants online and those who live for it, are probably willing to pay for it, as of now there is no match for XBox-Live to be seen yet. Plus look at the current PS3 games now - how much of them have online? So yes you have to pay, but you get a lot more value out of it. And of course MS could come down with the price anytime if they should feel that they need that to be competitive, but it will take Sony quite some time to make that happen (if ever). Complemented by a slow BR-drive, that will sure make for a lot of space wasted on your precious HD, unless you want to go with long loading times or smaller textures/levels/etc. than PS3 is capable of. And finally compression works wonders... Ok, no comment on this one... XBox Elite, anyone? Meaning they cant get by without one, see 50 GB games above. Furthermore I suppose most who buy an XBox get an HD later anyway, so this point is quite moot. And the Hardcore Console Fad is fading already. Started by XBox 360 and perfected by the PS3. You wont get mainstream numbers without a mainstream pricepoint. XBox might make it in 1-2 years though, while it might be too late for the PS3. For things that can be made run on its architecture, for everything else XBox is probably 3x better, see the reports about the special WU for folding@home. Basically the SPE are as limited as a GPU (graphics card) in respect to programming them to run normal programs. And how is that helping PS3? Those buying a PS2 for cheap sure wont buy an PS3 anytime soon. Unless those titles go somewhere else, too (XBox port) or just go away exclusively to where most of their audience lies (Wii). And for those comparing XBox prices including online and HD-DVD to a PS3. It makes a difference if you have to shell out all that money at once or if you can buy it little by little. Like you first buy a console and one or two games. Later you get more controllers and finally you get an online subscription and so on. Important for sales is the price entry point not fictional sums, because chances are, if you already bought a new console, that you will keep it and keep buying things for it. And finally for those comparing PS3 to Wii: Sorry, but you are competing vs the XBox and that is where you lose, while the Wii is in a different race of his own. Of course if the Wii is getting all the small/middle sized developers because of development costs and potential sales that leaves less for the rest of the pack ...

Not sure if I brought this up before but the two controllers arre different ideas. One the gameplay revovlves around motion while the other one is optional and really doesn''t matter if a game uses it or not. If the Wiimote losses its appeal then the Wii is down the gutter. It makes the Wiimote more of a gimmick because it depends on that feature for a sale while the Ps3 really doesn't. And I really can't stand it when people say the PS3 is two expensive. I purchased several systems on launch day ever since I was 7. I did the magical and mysterious thing known as saving. The earlier I know it is comming out... the longer I have to save. THe PS3 isn't to expensive.... that really is just an excuse. People don't want to spend the money on a PS3, which leads me to wonder if they wanted a PS3 in the first place. And I can assure everyone here that gears of war was impressive before I bought an hdtv and it was even better afterwards. So I know that motorstorm or any other fancy lookin' PS3 game will be impressive on a sdtv. P.S. welcome back Kwaad

Wow drago you seem to be on edge with this. I think Home & Little Big Planet will sell systems. Free online is a plus for anyone who wants to play with people online.... period. I own a PS3 and I do not suffer from long loading times in my games. spreading fud a little? Besides why not address what he was talking about, streaming textures? have you seen pictures and video's of the new ratchet and clank? maybe you should seek em out. MS has pretty much validated the PS3 by touting 1080p after saying it was impossible and putting HDMI on thier system after implying it wasn't needed. The HDD is what negates the load times :) . As far as the Wii fad... it is an opinion a share but it stays as that... an opinion. "For things that can be made run on its architecture".... really!?! Oh crap.... someone alert the devs!!! His point about the PS2 is chance are those consumers aren't buying 360's either (did you read the article?). And sony has a stable... now cellius of first party and second party exclusives and now it seems as if there are more exclusives under wraps... E3 is going to be interesting. If some one (namely me and people like me) wanted to have all the features of the PS3 then the 360's little by little additions really turn out to be a sore point stead of a positive one. In the end the 360 turns out to be more expensive after all the comparable features are added. If YOU want to be happy about paying more in smaller payments ( I guess it's a psychological thing) then have fun with it. I am kinda content knowing that I don't need to go out and purchase an addon to take advantage of a feature that I am interested in trying out. Your rebuttals are weak and seem to be copied off of some inane anti-PS3 site which has no idea what they are talking about. Seriously, people if you are going to talk crap about a system bring up "valid" points.

So since people can save a Ferrari isn't expensive then? Continuing with cars here is the car sales by class in 2006 for Canada (I looked for US but couldn't find numbers): Compact Car: 402,834 Intermediate Car: 232,580 Subcompact Car: 102,657 Luxury Car: 63,238 Sports Car: 32,058 Luxury High Car: 23,424 Luxury Sport Car: 6,369 http://www.cartest.ca/2006_best_sellers.htm Notice how at most of the car purchases would be made on cars that cost between $15,000 and $30,000? Now there is a major difference between a PS3 and a car when it comes to sales; a car is (pretty much) as good regardless on whether it is popular or not. The value of your $60,000 car is not dependant on whether your neighbor can afford the same model. The PS3 on the other hand will get ports/exclusive games entirely based on how large the userbase is; many of the third party exclusives that Sony fans associate with the Playstation were on the PS2 because it sold 30 Million consoles within its first 18 months on the market.

I certainly agree with the first sentence but not the other two. Home is a $600 system seller? Seriously, wannabe Mii-Sims is worth $600? Little Big Planet is interesting, something that could move a $250 system (where you at on this one Nintendo?) but I'd be shocked if many people buy a PS3 for LBP. It's not a matter of opinion so long as the Wii continues to smack the 360 and PS3 around. From the sales figures the only thing that looks like a fading fad at the moment is the PS3. Should the Wii's sales start to slip badly, like as the PS3's have, then it can be reasonably said to be a fad. Until then only the notion that the Wii is a fad is an opinion, the notion that it's mopping the floor with its competition is truth. I remember when Nintendo was saying wait for the big 4, Mario, Metroid, Zelda, and Mario Kart. They came and went selling almost 20 million games between them and the Gamecube was where it was to begin with. If Sony is expecting Cellius to save them it sounds to me like it's time to sound the alarm at Sony. So after losing almost every one of the first batch of exclusives and having dismal sales now is when 3rd party developers are going to jump onto the badly listing PS3? I suppose stranger things have happened.

The question is how much they will move (you could argue that everything moves systems a little bit). Are there really so much people out there, who are waiting especially for Home and LBP to decide to buy a PS3? Sure will there be amazing games, damn there were amazing games on N64 (Perfect Dark) and PS2 (God of War) graphicswise. The point is, that while using the HD for streaming is not bad in itself, the fact that probably a lot of games could have avoided to use this, if the drive was faster and this is the contradiction I see. More HD for your free use would not hurt anyone, I think. Well it is not needed, but if you want it, you can get it now. And btw the games are still rendered in 720p and if reports are correct the XBox could outdo the PS3 in 1080p performance wise, but obviously the performance in absolute terms makes it not so viable to do so on both systems. If you want real High-Def you still have to turn your PC on, it seems I am just saying that not all things can be made run on those SPE easily or even at all due to their limitations. So PS3 might beat XBox at some things and vice versa, but it is not generally superior. Fair point. If they manage to get some killer games out in a reasonable time that could improve the situation a lot. The only thing is that good games take time to complete and to become those masterpeaces that you are hoping them to be. As of now that is clearly working in favor of XBox and Wii. Well I did not argue that I would think so, but that for your average Joe the price he has to pay to get a basic package could seal the deal (think presents, low budgets, etc.). Adding some insults always adds to the discussion, does it

I apologize for the insults, totally uncalled for. happy, I called the PS3 affordable after saving..... how you turned that into a Ferrari correlation. If you consider the 360 a decent price yet say that the PS3 is expensive let us compare as ratios. If a 360 is akin to a car lets assign it a reasonable value... let us say 15,000. Then the PS3 would be 22,500 ratio wise. Considering I just purchased a car between those two price points I am sure that if deemed worth it the more expensive car would have not been a strain.

The Ferrari comment is based on the fact that (given enough time) you can save up and purchase practically everything; the interesting thing is that most of the people who can afford a Ferrari do not purchase one because of how impractical it is. Anyways , if I was calling the systems cars I would say: The Gameboy Advance is a Scooter at $8,000 The PS2 is a used compact car for $10,000 The DS is a sub-compact at $15,000 The PSP is a sub-compact at $20,000 The Wii is a compact car at $25,000 The XBox 360 is a mid-sized car that can be purchased for $30,000 or $40,000 (fully loaded) And the PS3 is a mid-sized luxury car that can be purchased for $50,000 or $60,000 People end up having to choose a console which suits their needs for a price they can afford.

I can't believe you're all talking about cars now!. But I guess it's one way to get a point across.