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Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
Naum said:
As long as 3D mario or Zelda games turn profit why would they ever stop making them?


  If the 2d versions make a bigger profit, then why keep the 3D around?



 

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Majin-Tenshinhan on 15 December 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Before they thought that 2D Mario was dead on consoles, which is why Galaxy 2 was even bothered to be made, in case NSMB Wii flopped, now that NSMB Wii is a huge success much more than Galaxy 2 will ever be, they are going to seriously rethink the future of 3D Mario and probably other 3D franchises

No, they are not, because it makes absolutely no sense. And I already told you why.

How does it make no sense?  Now that they see that 2D is viab;e on the home consoles, they'll definitely be looking into it, especially if their 3D sales remain stagnant or decline

I already told you. If they were going to give up 3D Mario, which posts spectacular sales, just because they aren't as good as 2D Mario sales, then they would be more likely to give up every single Nintendo franchise that sells lower than 3D Mario, and that includes Zelda. And since they haven't done that yet, they probably never will. There's no logical reason why they would suddenly stop making 3D Mario-games when the lowest-selling one is at 6,28 million. Metroid hasn't even broken 3 million with any of it's games and they keep making games for that series. Zelda's top seller is 7,60 million, that doesn't stop it from being one of their most liked franchises.

Even if New Super Mario Bros. Wii goes on to sell 30 million they won't suddenly drop every other franchise they have. Stop talking nonsense.

If they can net more sales with 2D, isn't it better to put out more 2D games?  Here's my point, if every 2D game costs 50% of every 3D games and sells as well or better, then isn't it better to make two 2D games and get the same sales and more profits?  Get rid of 3D Mario, and put out two 2D marios instead, kill 3D zelda and put out 2 2D zeldas and so forth, sure 3D mario might make more sales than 2D metroid, but for the cost of a single 3 D mario, they can put out a 2D Mario and a 2D Metorid, then you've made more money, so then there is little point to a 3D mario, even if it sells more than  2D metroid, since two games makes more profit than the one.

But that's fourth-grader logic. That's not how the world works. If they put out 2 2d Mario-games a year people won't buy them. Look at Guitar Hero, those games are tanking, and fast.

If we go by your logic, we can say the same thing about Metroid. If they can net more sales with Mario, isn't it better to put out more Mario-games? But they still make Metroid-games. And they're not going to stop. You aren't listening to me, man.

Also, I can guarantee you that 2D Zelda will not sell better than 3D Zelda in this day and age.



Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
Farmageddon said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Before they thought that 2D Mario was dead on consoles, which is why Galaxy 2 was even bothered to be made, in case NSMB Wii flopped, now that NSMB Wii is a huge success much more than Galaxy 2 will ever be, they are going to seriously rethink the future of 3D Mario and probably other 3D franchises

No, they are not, because it makes absolutely no sense. And I already told you why.

How does it make no sense?  Now that they see that 2D is viab;e on the home consoles, they'll definitely be looking into it, especially if their 3D sales remain stagnant or decline

3D Marios sell really well. Maybe it's not 2D Mario well, but it's still very good. They also help sell consoles. Nintendo has plenty of franchises which sell well bellow 3D Marios and still get support, so dropping 3D Mario in favour of 2D Mario would only make sense if making both was a bad thing. Since they aren't that similar (well, their core is kind like the same, but still very different games) and there's a market for both, there's no reason why they'd drop 3D Marios.

But if 2D makes more profit and sells more consoles, why have one Galaxy when you can have 2 NSMB's, why have one prime or other M when you can have two super metroids, why an OoT when you can have two LttPs



 

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Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Before they thought that 2D Mario was dead on consoles, which is why Galaxy 2 was even bothered to be made, in case NSMB Wii flopped, now that NSMB Wii is a huge success much more than Galaxy 2 will ever be, they are going to seriously rethink the future of 3D Mario and probably other 3D franchises

No, they are not, because it makes absolutely no sense. And I already told you why.

How does it make no sense?  Now that they see that 2D is viab;e on the home consoles, they'll definitely be looking into it, especially if their 3D sales remain stagnant or decline

I already told you. If they were going to give up 3D Mario, which posts spectacular sales, just because they aren't as good as 2D Mario sales, then they would be more likely to give up every single Nintendo franchise that sells lower than 3D Mario, and that includes Zelda. And since they haven't done that yet, they probably never will. There's no logical reason why they would suddenly stop making 3D Mario-games when the lowest-selling one is at 6,28 million. Metroid hasn't even broken 3 million with any of it's games and they keep making games for that series. Zelda's top seller is 7,60 million, that doesn't stop it from being one of their most liked franchises.

Even if New Super Mario Bros. Wii goes on to sell 30 million they won't suddenly drop every other franchise they have. Stop talking nonsense.

If they can net more sales with 2D, isn't it better to put out more 2D games?  Here's my point, if every 2D game costs 50% of every 3D games and sells as well or better, then isn't it better to make two 2D games and get the same sales and more profits?  Get rid of 3D Mario, and put out two 2D marios instead, kill 3D zelda and put out 2 2D zeldas and so forth, sure 3D mario might make more sales than 2D metroid, but for the cost of a single 3 D mario, they can put out a 2D Mario and a 2D Metorid, then you've made more money, so then there is little point to a 3D mario, even if it sells more than  2D metroid, since two games makes more profit than the one.

But that's fourth-grader logic. That's not how the world works. If they put out 2 2d Mario-games a year people won't buy them. Look at Guitar Hero, those games are tanking, and fast.

If we go by your logic, we can say the same thing about Metroid. If they can net more sales with Mario, isn't it better to put out more Mario-games? But they still make Metroid-games. And they're not going to stop. You aren't listening to me, man.

Also, I can guarantee you that 2D Zelda will not sell better than 3D Zelda in this day and age.

They don't need to do two a year, but right now it takes 2-3 years to get out a Mario or a Zelda or a Metroid, and that causes droughts, but with a 2D zelda, the time for Dev drops, so you could make a Zelda/ Metroid and Mario every year or every other year, and withthat extra dev time, make other games as well, reducing the number of droughts and increasing the number of games in a year.

Its true too much of one game can be bad, but by releasing a 2D metroid in place of a 3D you reduce costs and dev time, releasing a 2D metroid and a 2D mario is less than one 3D mario, then you're putting out more games and at greater profits.

That's what they said about NSMB Wii, I bet it would sell more.



 

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WereKitten on 15 December 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Naum said:
As long as 3D mario or Zelda games turn profit why would they ever stop making them?


  If the 2d versions make a bigger profit, then why keep the 3D around?

Because they cater to different users and as such they can bring revenue in parallel, whereas doubling on 2D games doesn't guarantee that? I don't know much about marketing, but I understand there's something called differentiation of offer.

By your same strange logic they should kill off each and every franchise but the most profitable one. Zelda not selling as much as Mario? Let's kill it off and make more Mario games, then.

Edit: others beat me with answers pretty much in line with mine. I'm glad there's some common sense floating around.



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getsallad on 15 December 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:

But if 2D makes more profit and sells more consoles, why have one Galaxy when you can have 2 NSMB's, why have one prime or other M when you can have two super metroids, why an OoT when you can have two LttPs

What keeps them from making both Mario Galaxy and NSMB? Obviously they have man-power enough to do so right now, so why wouldn't they in the future?

It's not like Mario Galaxy doesn't net them profit. In fact, it's a rather successful game. It doesn't make any sense to stop making it because a game in another genre sells more.

Roughly, you're using the same logic as this:

Mario games sell more than Zelda games. Hence, we will stop making Zelda games.



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Majin-Tenshinhan on 15 December 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Before they thought that 2D Mario was dead on consoles, which is why Galaxy 2 was even bothered to be made, in case NSMB Wii flopped, now that NSMB Wii is a huge success much more than Galaxy 2 will ever be, they are going to seriously rethink the future of 3D Mario and probably other 3D franchises

No, they are not, because it makes absolutely no sense. And I already told you why.

How does it make no sense?  Now that they see that 2D is viab;e on the home consoles, they'll definitely be looking into it, especially if their 3D sales remain stagnant or decline

I already told you. If they were going to give up 3D Mario, which posts spectacular sales, just because they aren't as good as 2D Mario sales, then they would be more likely to give up every single Nintendo franchise that sells lower than 3D Mario, and that includes Zelda. And since they haven't done that yet, they probably never will. There's no logical reason why they would suddenly stop making 3D Mario-games when the lowest-selling one is at 6,28 million. Metroid hasn't even broken 3 million with any of it's games and they keep making games for that series. Zelda's top seller is 7,60 million, that doesn't stop it from being one of their most liked franchises.

Even if New Super Mario Bros. Wii goes on to sell 30 million they won't suddenly drop every other franchise they have. Stop talking nonsense.

If they can net more sales with 2D, isn't it better to put out more 2D games?  Here's my point, if every 2D game costs 50% of every 3D games and sells as well or better, then isn't it better to make two 2D games and get the same sales and more profits?  Get rid of 3D Mario, and put out two 2D marios instead, kill 3D zelda and put out 2 2D zeldas and so forth, sure 3D mario might make more sales than 2D metroid, but for the cost of a single 3 D mario, they can put out a 2D Mario and a 2D Metorid, then you've made more money, so then there is little point to a 3D mario, even if it sells more than  2D metroid, since two games makes more profit than the one.

But that's fourth-grader logic. That's not how the world works. If they put out 2 2d Mario-games a year people won't buy them. Look at Guitar Hero, those games are tanking, and fast.

If we go by your logic, we can say the same thing about Metroid. If they can net more sales with Mario, isn't it better to put out more Mario-games? But they still make Metroid-games. And they're not going to stop. You aren't listening to me, man.

Also, I can guarantee you that 2D Zelda will not sell better than 3D Zelda in this day and age.

They don't need to do two a year, but right now it takes 2-3 years to get out a Mario or a Zelda or a Metroid, and that causes droughts, but with a 2D zelda, the time for Dev drops, so you could make a Zelda/ Metroid and Mario every year or every other year, and withthat extra dev time, make other games as well, reducing the number of droughts and increasing the number of games in a year.

Its true too much of one game can be bad, but by releasing a 2D metroid in place of a 3D you reduce costs and dev time, releasing a 2D metroid and a 2D mario is less than one 3D mario, then you're putting out more games and at greater profits.

That's what they said about NSMB Wii, I bet it would sell more.

... No, no they didn't. ... I don't think anyone ever said anything like that. People were convinced way before launch that it would sell over 20 million without any trouble. Where the hell have you been?



hsrob on 15 December 2009

The comment is rather ambiguous, we are left unclear whether he is voicing his own opinion or what he feels is the common perception.

There does seem to be somewhat of a resurgence of 2D at the moment particularly on the Wii but there are still plenty of people that feel 2D games are still less worthy of their hard earned cash. Hopefully this perception can change, both forms have their advantages and they should be able to happily coexist on a single console.



Avinash_Tyagi on 15 December 2009
WereKitten said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Naum said:
As long as 3D mario or Zelda games turn profit why would they ever stop making them?


  If the 2d versions make a bigger profit, then why keep the 3D around?

Because they cater to different users and as such they can bring revenue in parallel, whereas doubling on 2D games doesn't guarantee that? I don't know much about marketing, but I understand there's something called differentiation of offer.

By your same strange logic they should kill off each and every franchise but the most profitable one. Zelda not selling as much as Mario? Let's kill it off and make more Mario games, then.

Big difference though, 3D  is much less profitable and much more time consuming, a 2D zelda would not be as time consuming, hence why you'd still keep it around, yes having multiple products is great, but when you can switch your multiple products to lower costs and time consumption, then why wouldn't you.



 

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