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Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Everything is business

Not when he tries his hand at game criticism.



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theRepublic said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Everything is business

Not when he tries his hand at game criticism.

I disagree, most of his criticisms have been very spot on, a few errors here and there, but so far very little that I disagree with



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Zelda in 2010 is Nintendo's way of cutting its losses on the game according to Malstrom, who knows he could be right, I certainly haven't enjoyed the last few Zeldas much.

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/nintendo-cuts-its-losses-on-zelda-wii/

Nintendo cuts its losses on Zelda Wii

I did not look at the news when I posted the previous post. Much Nintendo news from Iwata talking about the DS successor to Zelda Wii being announced to come out in 2010.

In my post last night, I didn’t see anything interesting pre-E3 2010 (that we knew) for Wii with the exception of maybe Monster Hunter Tri (which has potential in the West but is already long out in Japan). Mario Galaxy 2 isn’t going to do anything. Metroid: Other M isn’t going to do anything. And I find I keep railing against Zelda: Wii since it seems as if Nintendo doesn’t know what to do with it. Zelda: Wii was far too much in development for Nintendo to make the game correctly. The success of Mario 5 shows that consumers are responding to a tight old school type gameplay and Zelda has been getting further and further away from that.

I think the Zelda Wii for 2010 is Nintendo’s way of cutting their losses with the game. Zelda Wii is too far along to fix the glaring problems the Zelda franchise has. It is best to get it out now.

Another way to look at it is that Nintendo has no faith in Metroid: Other M and Mario Galaxy 2 to push hardware in 2010. If so, they are right. I always considered Galaxy 2 and Other M to be the wrong types of software. However, they are far better than the User Generated Content games. At worst, apathy will greet Galaxy 2 and Other M. But with the anti-content direction that Nintendo went on, there was a serious backlash. The potential people saw in the Wii just died. I don’t see any other way to explain the sudden turn in their momentum.

Interestingly, I am hearing Nintendo people mention the word “content” alongside the “user experience”. They did not used to do this before.

Iwata is saying there was a downturn in the Wii (no one could deny that) and blamed it on the software at the time. What was that software? It was software of Wii Music, Animal Crossing Wii, and some other games all having the banner of ‘User Generated Content’ with them.

Nintendo has been very quick to rush to the microphone and declare their success this December. They are combating this narrative going around lately that Wii is in decline due to “dah CAS-suals!!!”

Ever since the Wii launched, people have dismissed it as a ‘fad’. They jumped the gun declaring the Wii ‘doomed’ when its sales began to suffer under the User Generated Content direction. So what are the doomsters going to say now that Wii sales are going back up? Apparently, the viral messengers are all just saying that “Nintendo is lazy” for making Mario 5 and are trying to spread that message around. But if Nintendo is so lazy, then why can’t Microsoft and Sony do it? No answer, of course. Making a game like Mario 5 is not easy at all (which is why no one has ever bested the Mario platform games even when Mario games stopped being made for twenty years!). Games are not a graphic display or a programming language. Gaming is more than the sum of its digital parts.

People are making too much emphasis on the DS successor. New hardware comes out when the market demands it. The market currently does not demand it (which Iwata admitted as well). Iwata does not choose the right time to release a new console. Neither does Miyamoto or Reggie or even Michael Pachter. The market does. The Wii is a very unusual console. I think Nintendo needs to prepare for a much longer console life especially in these bad economic times.

I’ve been worried that Nintendo, after digging a hole with the Wii, was planning to dig another hole with another console before filling their previous hole with correct software. Hopefully, we will see more interesting software for the Wii that utilizes the Wii’s strengths (and isn’t a Super Gamecube game).

I’m seeing the move to put out Zelda Wii as Nintendo to cut its losses. Hopefully, Nintendo is itching to looking to make the next Zelda more like what they learned from Mario 5. Not retro or even 2d, but a very tight old school gameplay structure. That is what will sell the game and their console.

Zelda, Mario, and Metroid released all the same year? But these are all very weak games. in terms of momentum building. None of those games are like Mario 5. They are more like Super Gamecube games.

The Nintendo ship seems to be turning and sailing far away from their User Generated Content direction they were on. They also now appear to be dumping the baggage of “Super Gamecube” type games that Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid: Other M.

Zelda Wii isn’t being released in 2010. It is being dumped.

I’m glad to see the old ferocious Nintendo returning. It is feeling more and more like November 2006 again.



 

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But is it possible for the disruptive company to have the guarantee to keep on churning out a flow of disruptive innovations strong enough to keep the edge? Nice theories can explain the past and, partially, the present, but can they predict the future?



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Another those Wii wont sell in 2010 and its doomed because of Zelda Wii eh? Even Malstrom never seen the title yet? And he mentioned sustaining innovation that WSR was sustaining innovation even though making sequels of 2-d mario was sustaining innovation and the novelty and why NSMB Wii was phenomenal will be gone forever if there would be NSMB Wii part 3.


Maybe the Wii will be gone someday like Malstrom says it will be a fad but what can Nintendo do about it? If 3rd parties cant comply they(Nintendo) cant just make a new content out of Wii Sports, WSR and NSMB Wii theyre just only one developer with few 2nd parties. If Nintendo cant convince third parties the third parties might just as well sink rather than swim and Nintendo could cash in the remaining months before the video game crash 2.0 happened. But really, what nintendo can do about it?

Nintendo tried numerous things to convince third parties to invest on their system but third parties tries to ignored it. Nintendo cant just make a Cabella 2010, Carnival games, just dance, COD WAW, COD MW reflex, Dawn of Discovery, Sim City Wii, De Blob, Boom Blox etc... THEY JUST CANT.


The only thing Nintendo can do was to sell disruptive titles and destroying established third party titles till nothing left even on the sake of the Wii. NSMB Wii was the last gamble, if third parties still tries to ignore the Wii then "bye bye game industry" we might as well play Facebook games since its free and its disruptive since playfish profiting from it. Do third parties and core gamers even thinks theyre on their merry ways once the Wii was gone. Not in the slightest, the new audience aka the casualz just move to other things to satisfy their gaming needs like facebook games not even the gem and Natal can do anything about it.


Even with the PS3's price cut, the gem and FFXIII theres nothing SONY can do about the growing disinterest on the Playstation brand this generation was over. Yeah theres still 2010 but I think this will be the last hurrah before third parties made a decisive and important move on their part; sink or swim. If they try to swim and invest whole on the Wii maybe the game induistry could be save but if they try to sink then the Wii will be dead in 2011 and there'll be a video game crash 2.0 not video game crah part 2. It means that video games are becoming more and more niche till it becomes the comic book industry WEL according to moviebob. I didnt believe moviebob but thats the only example I had in mind



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

"Another those Wii wont sell in 2010 and its doomed because of Zelda Wii eh?"

Looks like you didn't read it.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
"Another those Wii wont sell in 2010 and its doomed because of Zelda Wii eh?"

Looks like you didn't read it.

 

 

I've read it.

 

quotes:

 

 

Nintendo cuts its losses on Zelda Wii

 

 

"In my post last night, I didn’t see anything interesting pre-E3 2010 (that we knew) for Wii with the exception of maybe Monster Hunter Tri (which has potential in the West but is already long out in Japan)."

 

"And I find I keep railing against Zelda: Wii since it seems as if Nintendo doesn’t know what to do with it. Zelda: Wii was far too much in development for Nintendo to make the game correctly."

 

"I think the Zelda Wii for 2010 is Nintendo’s way of cutting their losses with the game. Zelda Wii is too far along to fix the glaring problems the Zelda franchise has. It is best to get it out now."

 

"But with the anti-content direction that Nintendo went on, there was a serious backlash. The potential people saw in the Wii just died. I don’t see any other way to explain the sudden turn in their momentum."

 


"Interestingly, I am hearing Nintendo people mention the word “content” alongside the “user experience”. They did not used to do this before."

"Iwata is saying there was a downturn in the Wii (no one could deny that) and blamed it on the software at the time. What was that software? It was software of Wii Music, Animal Crossing Wii, and some other games all having the banner of ‘User Generated Content’ with them."

 

"Nintendo has been very quick to rush to the microphone and declare their success this December. They are combating this narrative going around lately that Wii is in decline due to “dah CAS-suals!!!”"

 

"I’ve been worried that Nintendo, after digging a hole with the Wii, was planning to dig another hole with another console before filling their previous hole with correct software. Hopefully, we will see more interesting software for the Wii that utilizes the Wii’s strengths (and isn’t a Super Gamecube game)."

 

"I’m seeing the move to put out Zelda Wii as Nintendo to cut its losses. Hopefully, Nintendo is itching to looking to make the next Zelda more like what they learned from Mario 5. Not retro or even 2d, but a very tight old school gameplay structure. That is what will sell the game and their console."

"Zelda, Mario, and Metroid released all the same year? But these are all very weak games. in terms of momentum building. None of those games are like Mario 5. They are more like Super Gamecube games."

 

 

"The Nintendo ship seems to be turning and sailing far away from their User Generated Content direction they were on. They also now appear to be dumping the baggage of “Super Gamecube” type games that Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid: Other M."

"Zelda Wii isn’t being released in 2010. It is being dumped"

 

Yeah the Wii was doomed I say, DOOMED. Except for Wii vitality sensor theres nothing on Nintendo that pushes the Wii hardware after SMB 5 in 2009. Not in 2010 at least, so the Wii was doomed. Yeah it seem that its positive but with low quality games according to him in 2010 such as SMG2, Metroid other M and Zelda Wii it would be another AC: CF and Wii Music all over again. At least according to him Nintendo already had change its plan and dumped the super GC games and amke new disruptive games in 210 to be released in 2011.

 

And I read the whole article posted, I just quote the important ones regarding Zelda. Oh well, at least theres NSMB Wii which according to him can sustain and fill  the huge void of 2010 according to him and makes Ninrtendo thinks on what high quality games will Nintendo do next year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

^^^ he said that!!???