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masterb8tr on 14 December 2009

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darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
So darth, buddy , are you saying that you don't believe that Uncharted 2 is at 1.98mill right now?

nope & on good old VGChartz thats called "hating" uncharted 2

 



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steverhcp02 on 14 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
 

No its not different

Im not talking about your GOW prediction. This threads about pachter claiming UC2 sold 650k in the states through november and you saying this means it wont sell over 3 million copies.

Even if VGC is overtracking, lets think about this like logical people. Pachter touts NPD numbers through november, We are sitting on 2 weeks of data he isnt referring to in the holiday period. So lets say 50k per week. That brings us to 750k. This doesnt count other countries in the americas, so lets add another 75k. That gives us 825k to this point if we are using NPD as the holy grail of numbers and then tacking on two weeks of VG charts and the 10% other americas bump, right?

So lets call it a split then and go halfsies between VGC data and NPD data for America, so roughly 880k. So, youve got 880k assuming VGchartz overtracked, in the states. A title which sells considerably better in Europe also gearing up for the holidays and japan clearing 100k, in accordance with famitsu and MC 50k plus first week......so we are talking about 2.3 million to start 2010.

Which means for UC2 to sell 3 million copies it would have to sell slightly above 13k.......per week........worldwide......for 52 weeks. You saw numbers, didnt look into it and just starting typing. Im not looking too much into it, i just like numbers and trends, which i why i am amember of this site, i like to back up my posts with sound reasoning.

Now if you dont agree with my reasoning on 10% and 2 december weeks then i dont see how you can even bother using VGchartz numbers for your predictions, we have to have a constant and single source for our data or predictions are worthless.

And why will it do over 13K per week?

Sequels are much more front loaded & this one won't have bundles

1. I have said is that I feel the game is overtracked

2. I have said people predicting 3 - 4 Million are way out

3. My predictions were at 2 - 2.5 Million

I know who is closer, there was not really any need to go into so much detail

You think I overreacted, you were wrong

Im not saying it will, its what i think. If it sells 20k one week it only needs to sell 6 k the next, its an average. Im not going to call you wrong on your prediction because the games obviously still selling, but i do believe that if you think UC2 will not sell on average 13 k per week worldwide in 2010, youre crazy.

Who is closer on what? Youre not close at all, you need to have some detail and argument if youre going to argue youre correct on LTD sales after 6 weeks.




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psrock on 14 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
CGI-Quality said:
So darth, buddy , are you saying that you don't believe that Uncharted 2 is at 1.98mill right now?

nope & on good old VGChartz thats called "hating" uncharted 2

 

Alright, let give the game is overtracked.

imagine it is 1.7million

1. the game hasnt been heavily bundled yet like the first one

2. Still selling close or above 100k a week.

We still get 2 million this year.

3. I do believe a lot of people who saved their cash to get MWF2 will pickup it later on.

4. Showing better legs than Uncharted......



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outlawauron on 14 December 2009
psrock said:
outlawauron said:
psrock said:

lol at that sentence " it still pales in comparison to the 2.6 million units sold of Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune".

Please Darth, stop posting crap like this especially when they have no idea how game sales work.

 

 

BTW:

Uncharted Drake Fortunes = 600k NPD LTD

Uncharted 2 = more than 650k

vgchartz uncharted = 1.18 million

 

NPD doesn't include bundles.

Which tells you how great Uncharted 2 is doing.

Already outsold Uncharted without bundlle in :

1. US

2. UK

In a couple months.

I know we wish it would do even Assassin's Creed numbers, but for some reasons Sony's own games never seems to get to taht level yet. And I really can't put a reason into why, but compared to other Sony games, it's doing great.

Well, no. I'm just saying that VGC's Uncharted 1 number is going to be a lot high than NPD as VGC includes bundles. That's all.



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Dgc1808 on 14 December 2009
Kenology said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
They are great sales, no doubt, but given it's critical acclaim it deserves even better. I think that's what Pachter means, too.

Uncharted 2 is the media darling at the moment.  Not only because it's a great game but because the industry's hopes are riding on it because they want this to be the future of gaming - hence Pachter's disappointment.

 

Maybe they'll have a better understanding now that review scores won't necessarily determine or influence retail performance.

Why??? What's so special about it? It won game of the year?? Bioshock won that in 2007 and it didn't sell a bajillion units either. No one had any huge issues back then.



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darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
 

No its not different

Im not talking about your GOW prediction. This threads about pachter claiming UC2 sold 650k in the states through november and you saying this means it wont sell over 3 million copies.

Even if VGC is overtracking, lets think about this like logical people. Pachter touts NPD numbers through november, We are sitting on 2 weeks of data he isnt referring to in the holiday period. So lets say 50k per week. That brings us to 750k. This doesnt count other countries in the americas, so lets add another 75k. That gives us 825k to this point if we are using NPD as the holy grail of numbers and then tacking on two weeks of VG charts and the 10% other americas bump, right?

So lets call it a split then and go halfsies between VGC data and NPD data for America, so roughly 880k. So, youve got 880k assuming VGchartz overtracked, in the states. A title which sells considerably better in Europe also gearing up for the holidays and japan clearing 100k, in accordance with famitsu and MC 50k plus first week......so we are talking about 2.3 million to start 2010.

Which means for UC2 to sell 3 million copies it would have to sell slightly above 13k.......per week........worldwide......for 52 weeks. You saw numbers, didnt look into it and just starting typing. Im not looking too much into it, i just like numbers and trends, which i why i am amember of this site, i like to back up my posts with sound reasoning.

Now if you dont agree with my reasoning on 10% and 2 december weeks then i dont see how you can even bother using VGchartz numbers for your predictions, we have to have a constant and single source for our data or predictions are worthless.

And why will it do over 13K per week?

Sequels are much more front loaded & this one won't have bundles

1. I have said is that I feel the game is overtracked

2. I have said people predicting 3 - 4 Million are way out

3. My predictions were at 2 - 2.5 Million

I know who is closer, there was not really any need to go into so much detail

You think I overreacted, you were wrong

Im not saying it will, its what i think. If it sells 20k one week it only needs to sell 6 k the next, its an average. Im not going to call you wrong on your prediction because the games obviously still selling, but i do believe that if you think UC2 will not sell on average 13 k per week worldwide in 2010, youre crazy.

Who is closer on what? Youre not close at all, you need to have some detail and argument if youre going to argue youre correct on LTD sales after 6 weeks.

1. Yes then I am crazy

I do not see uncharted 2 having legs like Uncharted 1 throughout the whole of next year, thats the crux of my argument, that is why I don't see it hitting 3 Million.

Uncharted 1 was a new IP & a hit

Uncharted 2 won't have legs like it after the holidays are over

@CGI

it sold 113K in November

it sold 227K according to VGChartz

I do not think OVER HALF of its sales came from outside North America...so yes its overtracked even after including mexico & Canada



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Cheebee on 14 December 2009

What he's trying to say, is probably t3h PS3 is d00med!!1

People need to stop getting so worked up over this guy, everytime he so much as farts the entire online gaming community is all over it...



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Darth Tigris on 14 December 2009
Grimes said:
The marketing wasn't very creative or exciting, like a Halo or Gears. Sony needs to learn how to market outside the core demographic, because that is the difference between decent and blockbuster sales.

Agreed.  If this truly was THE PS3 event game of the year, why not market it like that?  Why not something more creative?  Seems like they were more interested in marketing the PS3 as a brand than highlighting unique marketing for individual software titles.  Mistake to me.

As for most of the comments on this thread, really?  REALLY???!!!  You guys keep attacking Pachter when in fact you should be AGREEING with him and being disappointed in your fellow PS3 owners that didn't buy the game.  Pachter's saying the game SHOULD'VE sold better and he's troubled that it didn't, because what is that saying about PS3 owners?  Point your venom where it should be pointed.

I wish I had a PS3 because this would be THE game I would purchase for it this holiday season.  Too bad I'm a 360 owner ...



darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
psrock said:
darthdevidem01 said:
CGI-Quality said:
So darth, buddy , are you saying that you don't believe that Uncharted 2 is at 1.98mill right now?

nope & on good old VGChartz thats called "hating" uncharted 2

 

Alright, let give the game is overtracked.

imagine it is 1.7million

1. the game hasnt been heavily bundled yet like the first one

2. Still selling close or above 100k a week.

We still get 2 million this year.

3. I do believe a lot of people who saved their cash to get MWF2 will pickup it later on.

4. Showing better legs than Uncharted......

1. I do not count bundles in my prediction as I can't assume they will happen

2. duh

3. I believe people saved their cash to get MWF2 & will pick up Assassins Creed 2 later on....both statements are anecdotal

4. Ofcourse it is in the holiday weeks, but one we get past the new year things won't be so rosy & for now we can assume it won't be bundled

Finally tell me how am I hating on the game?



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