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steverhcp02 on 14 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:

No I say I will be closer all said & done, I'm not saying I'm closer now

I'm saying I will be closer than they were when all is said & done

PSrock still hasn't answered my question....I'm waiting, how am I hating on uncharted 2

So youre saying a game that will sell roughly 2.2 million by years end, after 10 weeks will not sell 300k more in its lifetime?

Okay.




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Alic0004 on 14 December 2009
Barozi said:
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Well yes for a GOTY it underperformed in the US, but I don't think he is aware of the European numbers.
It also will have nice legs.

How should it have performed? I never understand this "underperformed" talk. Underperformed compared to what?

Better. It's a shooter, one of the best reviewed games of all time, hyped..... just better.

 

When we look at NPD numbers, UC2 barely out performs Borderlands (360) in the US. Not that, what you would expect from a GOTY winner and sequel to a very good exclusive game.

No. It isn't a shooter in the eyes of those who buy it, it wasn't even marketed as a shooter. So, since you can't tell me what expectations actually matter here, outside of Naughty Dog, the answer is it "underperformed" by standards of people on VG Chartz gaming forum.

Naughty Dog expects  to just sell 2.5mill copies total. The game is well on it's way to pass that. It performed BETTER than they expected. That's what I'll go by.

A shooter is a shooter. If GTA didn't have any shooter elements almost no one would buy it.

If ND expected to win several GOTY awards and only sell 2.5m copies, then they clearly had too low expectations.

Valve surely didn't release the possibly best shooter of the century just to barely break even.

GTA nor Uncharted are shooters. There's shooting in them, but there are not known as shooters, period!

As for Naughty Dog, how do you know what breaking even is or not? We don't know that. Also, predicting 2.5mill is in line with what the first one has done. It was a realistic prediction. It just so happens that Uncharted 2 ended up being one of the greatest games this gen has seen.Naughty Dog, you, me, nor anyone else could have predicted that to happen, let alone it getting GOTY.

That is why it will shatter their expectations.

Neither is Gears of War. It's a post-apocalyptic, squad based exploration game with sporadic gunfights.

biiiiiiiig eye roll.



 

dirkd2323 on 14 December 2009

Last sales figures I saw was close to 2 million in sales for uncharted 2, which is very low for how good of a game it is, I think with ODST, modern warfare2 releasing and others maybe stole some of the thunder. In my opinion Uncharted 2 is the best game this gen, with a few others right there with it, and those others sold 4-5 million and have been out not quiet as long, wonder why?



Alic0004 on 14 December 2009
Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:
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CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
Well yes for a GOTY it underperformed in the US, but I don't think he is aware of the European numbers.
It also will have nice legs.

How should it have performed? I never understand this "underperformed" talk. Underperformed compared to what?

Compared to expectations for a game who got 96% Meta, is in a mainstream genre, was hyped and is a sequel to a big seller & appraised new IP.

Explain those expectations, that matter. You mean Naughty Dog, who expected the game to reach 2.5mill and that's it? Yeah, those are the expectations that matter, not what any of us on a gaming forum think.

 

lol, our expectations don't matter, yet we dedicate several hours per week of our lives to discuss it all the time?

You are right that the sales exceeded ND's target, but maybe they didn't expect it to score as a high as 96% when they set that target? Also, some targets from devs are made in relation to dev budgets and not so much toward high-end potential sales.

You really think what we predict makes a difference? I mean really?

So, if I predicted the game would sell 10mill WW, and then it didn't, you think that matters where it makes a difference? I guess Halo 3: ODST is a total sales flop since it didn't perform as well as Halo 3, it was hyped, received good scores, was expected by some to sell like Halo 3, and is the Xbox Brand's biggest IP.

Like I said, that sounds ridiculous.

Makes a difference for whom? We represent ourselves, the gaming community. And in the eyes of the gaming community, not Naught Dog, and in the eyes of Patcher, and probably a lot of the gaming media too - Uncharted 2 underperformed.

Halo 3: ODST, no it didn't flop. But it slightly underperformed in relation to expecations by analysts and the gaming community such as VGC and others.

Btw, Bioshock also underperformed (that one was even hinted at by Take-Two, not that Take-Two themselves maybe expected bigger sales, but the media did, after the rave reviews had just come out).

Mass effect also underperformed. It had huge hype, great reviews but a comparatively bad opening week.

Agreed to disagree, what we think doesn't matter in the real world. This is why people say online hype =/= real world hype. If it did, MANY games would perform MUCH better.

Fact remains, Uncharted 2 is performing better than the devs expected, and received much praise when all they were hoping for was something fun for PS3 fans to enjoy. The game has done it's work, doesn't matter what the rest of us think.

Your feelings on Mass Effect, Bioshock & ODST are your opinion too, as are mine, nothing absolute there.

Yeah we really disagree because I think it's totally the other way around - whether a game underperforms, is a sucess or flop are things determined by the public - the media, the analysts and the consumers first and foremost. Seldom do I care what the devs expected from sales of a game, I discuss and analyze sales from a public perspective.

And that's fine of course, as long as you don't attempt to use the same definition of flop in conversations about the profitability of games or developers.  Right?

 

 



 

darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
 

No I say I will be closer all said & done, I'm not saying I'm closer now

I'm saying I will be closer than they were when all is said & done

PSrock still hasn't answered my question....I'm waiting, how am I hating on uncharted 2

So youre saying a game that will sell roughly 2.2 million by years end, after 10 weeks will not sell 300k more in its lifetime?

Okay.

I said 2 - 2.5 Million

The opposing side 3 - 4 Million

If the game sells 3 Million

my low end is 1 million away, their high end is 1 Million away

it would need to sell over 3 Million for me to be further off



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Carl on 14 December 2009

ioi is happy with the numbers.

There is nothing more to say really.

The game is selling really well, it is Game of the Year, it deserves the sales it's having...

@darth, NPD is not the law. Get over it.



                            

darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
Carl2291 said:
ioi is happy with the numbers.

There is nothing more to say really.

The game is selling really well, it is Game of the Year, it deserves the sales it's having...

@darth, NPD is not the law. Get over it.

get over what?

It seems most people have taken this far too seriously, from thinking I hate uncharted 2 to thinking I'm loosing sleep over this



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Alic0004 on 14 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
 

No I say I will be closer all said & done, I'm not saying I'm closer now

I'm saying I will be closer than they were when all is said & done

PSrock still hasn't answered my question....I'm waiting, how am I hating on uncharted 2

So youre saying a game that will sell roughly 2.2 million by years end, after 10 weeks will not sell 300k more in its lifetime?

Okay.

I said 2 - 2.5 Million

The opposing side 3 - 4 Million

If the game sells 3 Million

my low end is 1 million away, their high end is 1 Million away

it would need to sell over 3 Million for me to be further off

Oh, you ARE a sly dog :P



 

steverhcp02 on 14 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
 

No I say I will be closer all said & done, I'm not saying I'm closer now

I'm saying I will be closer than they were when all is said & done

PSrock still hasn't answered my question....I'm waiting, how am I hating on uncharted 2

So youre saying a game that will sell roughly 2.2 million by years end, after 10 weeks will not sell 300k more in its lifetime?

Okay.

I said 2 - 2.5 Million

The opposing side 3 - 4 Million

If the game sells 3 Million

my low end is 1 million away, their high end is 1 Million away

it would need to sell over 3 Million for me to be further off

Wait, what? youre taking your low end vs their high end, you need to take low vs low, i cant continue this debate, good luck with your predictions.




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darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
pezus said:
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
 

No I say I will be closer all said & done, I'm not saying I'm closer now

I'm saying I will be closer than they were when all is said & done

PSrock still hasn't answered my question....I'm waiting, how am I hating on uncharted 2

So youre saying a game that will sell roughly 2.2 million by years end, after 10 weeks will not sell 300k more in its lifetime?

Okay.

I said 2 - 2.5 Million

The opposing side 3 - 4 Million

If the game sells 3 Million

my low end is 1 million away, their high end is 1 Million away

it would need to sell over 3 Million for me to be further off

No, they expected 3-4 million and you expected 2-2.5...so if it gets to 3 million their predictions will be right and your wrong ;)

I have given them a millions worth of range while I gave myself 500K

so its not fair to compare, they have 2 times the chance of being right

so lets chage the range a little, either make their one 3.5 - 4 Million

or my one 3 - 4 Million

either way it will have to do over 3 Million to result in me being further of ;)



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