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vgaddict said:

@r505Matt : It's only your taste. I prefer like a lot of people the PS3 controller, if only because it has a real D-PAD.

Half of the old games are unplayable on 360 due to the lack of a decent D-PAD... It's a major default for a controller. For me, it clearly gives the edge to the PS3 controller. The shoulder buttons you don't like are easily fixed, it costs 2 $ and clicks on top of standard buttons, so I've got classical triggers on shoulder buttons... The 360 D-PAD on the other hand, well it can't be fixed.

And yeah, PC/360 are not 'exclusives' since they're playable on 2 machines. I've got a PC, I don't care about 360 games I can buy on my PC. Saying 'it's a different world' doesn't mean anything. Games are games. Fact is I won't buy a 360 if half of its so called 'exclusives' are playable on my PC...

PS3 exclusives are in fact... exclusives. Which means you can't play them on anything except a PS3. That's why PS3 / PC is the perfect combo.

 

You won't buy a 360 because you really dislike it, as you said you wouldn't buy it for $50. Any system for $50 is an AMAZING deal, and your saying that just says you dislike 360 for reasons that aren't grounded in logic.

Yes, the D-pad in the PS3 controllet is far superior (I did mean to mention that before, just forgot) but I don't buy a new system so that I can play old games. It's a nice feature, but it's not nearly as important as the features required to play newer games. The shoulder button things cost $6 a set, not $2 (too lazy to link, check amazon), and it's about principle. I shouldn't have to buy something to fix what seems to clearly to be a design flaw. What advantage did they think the controller would have with the new design of the shoulder button?

PS3 exclusives are a fact because Sony doesn't have much interest in the Computer market marketshare. MS having games released on both 360 and PC helps their marketshare in both areas. It would be silly/stupid if they didn't do things the way they did.

I just noticed, you are new to this site, there are generally excepted definitions on 'exclusives' and 'console exclusives' (there's a post on it somewhere). Also, some games provide a better experience on a console. I vastly prefer Mass Effect on a console versus the PC. But yes, it goes both ways, I got L4D2 on PC, but that's only because it was cheap (black friday ftw) and if it wasn't on PC, I wouldn't have gotten it anyways.



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@Lord : You look bitter. All I did was taking your own words, I find it amusing you rated 3 your own words. I agree though, your post was poor.

Average PS3 owner is older according to polls which have nothing to do with Sony or MS, but don't believe it if it hurts so much.

 

@r505 : my point was the lack of exclusive content and value in the 360 FOR ME, who doesn't like shooters that much (I got Killzone 2, but clearly shooters are better on PC for me anyway). I exagerated a bit, I'd buy one at 50$, but you see the point : 360 value is very low for me or anyone who doesn't like shooters :

- I need more artsy games on 360 like Team Ico games

- I need innovative games like LBP or Heavy Rain

- I need every exclusive genre like adventure (uncharted 2) or platformer (ratchet)...

 

 



I rated you effort of taken what I said and using it against me. It was poor but not appailing. It's very obvious to most people. With brains.

Anyway even if the average PS3 onwerr is older you certainly arent but I see you put your age as the exact age Sony mentioned in their poll. Very funny.
Anyway I look bitter? If you are new here and this isn't an alternate account because of a perma-ban you'll get use to my post. Don't be so sensitive...

and bitter. What did the 360 ever do to you at scouts that made you hate it so much?

 

Oh and well done for saying the 360 only has shooters biased as the day is long.



@Lord Flash : It was only made to show you how pointless this kind of flaming posts was. It worked perfectly. I don't care what you think about my age, I'm nearly 30. Your posts definitely don't seem mature at all, unless you think calling people '12 year old fanboys' is somehow smart.

Now for my reasons not to like the 360, see the post above.



Lord Flashheart said:

I rated you effort of taken what I said and using it against me. It was poor but not appailing. It's very obvious to most people. With brains.

Anyway even if the average PS3 onwerr is older you certainly arent but I see you put your age as the exact age Sony mentioned in their poll. Very funny.
Anyway I look bitter? If you are new here and this isn't an alternate account because of a perma-ban you'll get use to my post. Don't be so sensitive...

and bitter. What did the 360 ever do to you at scouts that made you hate it so much?

 

Oh and well done for saying the 360 only has shooters biased as the day is long.

Not to mention his post doesn't even make sense.  The PS3 never sells more at a higher price.  It sells more when the 360 main model is the SAME price.  Any time the 360 Pro/Elite is cheaper, it outsells the PS3 with ease.  And rightfully so, the 360 Pro/Elite should be at least $100 cheaper.  I guess MS is riding the profit train until next fall where it does price cut + Natal + Halo: Reach + Fable 3 + more to absolutely crush the PS3 in sales next year. 



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I really don't understand people that are saying that MS has probably exceeded their own expectations. I mean it's MICROSOFT. They put the first HD DVD console gaming out there and from what I have read from other people they had a 16 months lead (I think it was 12 actually). How did they exceeded their own expectations? Is there somewhere they expected to sell that numbers of hardware and they did more than that. Are they, most of the times, above their fiscal year expectations for the XBOX360?



@nightsurge : no, wrong. Here in Europe, like I told earlier, 360 costs around 120 euros (arcade models) and PS3 249 euros, yet PS3 sells a lot more. Fact.

Maybe we should wonder why. PS3 just has a lot more value.



vgaddict said:

@Lord : You look bitter. All I did was taking your own words, I find it amusing you rated 3 your own words. I agree though, your post was poor.

Average PS3 owner is older according to polls which have nothing to do with Sony or MS, but don't believe it if it hurts so much.

 

@r505 : my point was the lack of exclusive content and value in the 360 FOR ME, who doesn't like shooters that much (I got Killzone 2, but clearly shooters are better on PC for me anyway). I exagerated a bit, I'd buy one at 50$, but you see the point : 360 value is very low for me or anyone who doesn't like shooters :

- I need more artsy games on 360 like Team Ico games - LOL the PS3 doesn't even have any yet....

- I need innovative games like LBP or Heavy Rain - Since when is a level creator platforming game innovative? As to Heavy Rain, there is also nothing innovative about that.  Its just a sequel to a very niche game Farenheit/The Indigo Prophecy.  Banjo Nuts and Bolts says hi, as does Viva Pinata and many other games.

- I need every exclusive genre like adventure (uncharted 2, Alan Wake) or platformer (ratchet, Banja Kazooie)...

Lets not forget the 360 also has many great RPGs both western and japanese.  It also has some great party games, rhythm games, etc.  It's clear to me that you are just an alternate account trying to downgrade the 360 by overlooking its much larger and just as wide genre selection of games.

 

 



vgaddict said:

@Lord : You look bitter. All I did was taking your own words, I find it amusing you rated 3 your own words. I agree though, your post was poor.

Average PS3 owner is older according to polls which have nothing to do with Sony or MS, but don't believe it if it hurts so much.

 

@r505 : my point was the lack of exclusive content and value in the 360 FOR ME, who doesn't like shooters that much (I got Killzone 2, but clearly shooters are better on PC for me anyway). I exagerated a bit, I'd buy one at 50$, but you see the point : 360 value is very low for me or anyone who doesn't like shooters :

- I need more artsy games on 360 like Team Ico games

- I need innovative games like LBP or Heavy Rain

- I need every exclusive genre like adventure (uncharted 2) or platformer (ratchet)...

 

 

Yeah, I for one don't care much for action/adventure types. I haven't played Uncharted 2, but unless the gameplay is VASTLY different from U1, I don't expect to be impressed by it. To me, a game is gameplay/characters first, story/cinematics/character interaction second (don't confuse characters and story as being the same, they really aren't, some games have good-great stories, and annoying characters (Blue Dragon, FFXII) and that can ruin a game for me). U1's gameplay is kind of bland and boring to me, but the story was okay.

I mostly play shooters and RPGs, so when I decided to buy a system 2.5 years ago, Xbox was the obvious choice (Gears). It turned out to be the perfect choice for me, seeing as 360 was THE RPG system for a while. Not until recently does PS3 seem to be showing its legs (and what fine legs they are Demon's Souls, so incredibly pumped to get that game soon) in that race.

+1 for the LBP love, what a great game. I don't watch videos or read much about upcoming games much (been holding back on FFXIII as much as a can) so I really don't know much about Heavy Rain. I'll wait until it's released.



riecsou said:
I really don't understand people that are saying that MS has probably exceeded their own expectations. I mean it's MICROSOFT. They put the first HD DVD console gaming out there and from what I have read from other people they had a 16 months lead (I think it was 12 actually). How did they exceeded their own expectations? Is there somewhere they expected to sell that numbers of hardware and they did more than that. Are they, most of the times, above their fiscal year expectations for the XBOX360?

Yeah, I agree. Considering their dominant position is software, the trouble they got in the gaming market is hardly a success. First, losing billions in the Xbox 1, then losing billions in the RROD debacle, then losing the HD format war with HDDVD, now with the 360 being outsold in its own territory while being cheaper than its competitor (arcade model)...

Sure, you can still say the 360 is more a success than the Xbox 1, but well, it wasn't hard to do, especially releasing alone one year earlier...