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CGI-Quality said:
gansito said:
CGI-Quality said:
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gansito said:
i see what you did there, problem is sony exclusives have a hard time selling, but i will agree, HR will outsell Epic Mickey

They do? Which ones?

Ratchet, Killzone, Uncharted, Lair, Heavenly Sword.

- Ratchet sales are fine. In fact, how is it selling bad when it's selling faster than Tools of Destruction?

- Killzone 2 is sitting over 2million right now. How is it having a hard ime selling?

- Lair - lol. Funny - how did Too Human sell? Riiiiiight......games that are considered "sub-par" don't always sell.

- Heavenly Sword is at 1.5mill. Again, how are those sales bad?

What about Uncharted 2, Resistance 1 & 2, LBP? I see you mention some games, but not others. Every console has it's fairshare of lower sellers. And to know if a game is selling "bad" or not, you'd have to provide proof of the expectations. Since you haven't, my work is complete here.

I don't think it's unfair to say most of those games sold less or worse than expected/planned, even if they eventually climbed to decent sales through various means anyway.  How many of those sales were at pull price?  How many were in bundles?  How do they compare to the same series sales on PS2?

Commercially, Sony's big 1st party push has been met with pretty mixed results honestly...



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CGI-Quality said:
gansito said:
CGI-Quality said:
gansito said:
i see what you did there, problem is sony exclusives have a hard time selling, but i will agree, HR will outsell Epic Mickey

They do? Which ones?

Ratchet, Killzone, Uncharted, Lair, Heavenly Sword.

- Ratchet sales are fine. In fact, how is it selling bad when it's selling faster than Tools of Destruction?

- Killzone 2 is sitting over 2million right now. How is it having a hard ime selling?

- Lair - lol. Funny - how did Too Human sell? Riiiiiight......games that are considered "sub-par" don't always sell.

- Heavenly Sword is at 1.5mill. Again, how are those sales bad?

What about Uncharted 2, Resistance 1 & 2, LBP? I see you mention some games, but not others. Every console has it's fairshare of lower sellers. And to know if a game is selling "bad" or not, you'd have to provide proof of the expectations. Since you haven't, my work is complete here.

The PS3 is almost infamous for not being able to sell tons of copies of their great exclusives. So far most games sold deccently thanks to bundles (Motorstorm, Uncharted, Hevnly Sword, Resistanc)

Killzone2 (2 million) has great legs but it's still pretty small compared to Gears of War (5-6 mill).

Lil Big People is rufly 2,5 mil, but one could expect more from a game with +95% Meta.

Same with Unharted 2. 96% meta should be a +5 million seller normally. It would if it was on X360.



CGI-Quality said:

So, tell me, besides Gears and halo, what 360 exclusives have done "gangbusters"?

Fable's pretty huge, Forza as well (though bundling pushed that).  Both are comparable to Sony's top exclusives sales wise so far (while Gears and especially Halo are a league above them).

LBP had EU hardware bundles though iirc?  It also sort of flopped at first (took FOREVER to hit a million), but took off after it hit the bargain bins.  Sort of like Uncharted 1, it eventually crawled to success.  

 



No offense but this isn't even close, epic mickey will win this battle. A better comparison maybe would be Heavy rain and Alan Wake?



CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:
gansito said:
CGI-Quality said:
gansito said:
i see what you did there, problem is sony exclusives have a hard time selling, but i will agree, HR will outsell Epic Mickey

They do? Which ones?

Ratchet, Killzone, Uncharted, Lair, Heavenly Sword.

- Ratchet sales are fine. In fact, how is it selling bad when it's selling faster than Tools of Destruction?

- Killzone 2 is sitting over 2million right now. How is it having a hard ime selling?

- Lair - lol. Funny - how did Too Human sell? Riiiiiight......games that are considered "sub-par" don't always sell.

- Heavenly Sword is at 1.5mill. Again, how are those sales bad?

What about Uncharted 2, Resistance 1 & 2, LBP? I see you mention some games, but not others. Every console has it's fairshare of lower sellers. And to know if a game is selling "bad" or not, you'd have to provide proof of the expectations. Since you haven't, my work is complete here.

The PS3 is almost infamous for not being able to sell tons of copies of their great exclusives. So far most games sold deccently thanks to bundles (Motorstorm, Uncharted, Hevnly Sword, Resistanc)

Killzone2 (2 million) has great legs but it's still pretty small compared to Gears of War (5-6 mill).

Lil Big People is rufly 2,5 mil, but one could expect more from a game with +95% Meta.

Same with Unharted 2. 96% meta should be a +5 million seller normally. It would if it was on X360.

"Decently"? Ok, in comparison to many of the 360's exclusives, not the big ones either, the PS3 hasn't done too bad. Also, saying that "most games sold due to bundles" is as biased as it is inaccurate, which is evident as you didn't even name "many".

Uncharted 2 WAS NOT heavily bundled. Has no compariosn on the 360.

Killzone 2 WAS NOT heavily bundled. Why is Killzone 2 being compared with Gears in the first place? Gears was the first breakout hit on the 360, a systme also generally known for a heavy shooter base. Killzone 2 was late to the game, and wasn't EVER expected to do 6mill, at least not from anyone rational. It'sll settle at 3-3.5mill or so.

LBP WAS NOT heavily bundled. Has no comparison on the 360.

So, tell me, besides Gears and Halo, what 360 exclusives have done "gangbusters"?

I mentioned the bundled ones specifically - Motorstorm, H Sword, Unch 1, Resistance.

I never claimed KZ2 or UC2 was bundled, but I made arguemnts of why them should have still sold better.

Gears 1&2, Halo 3, Halo 3 ODST, Fable II, Left4Dead, Mass Effect have sold gangbusters and better than expected, and without practically any bundles.



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CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:
Slimebeast said:
CGI-Quality said:
gansito said:
CGI-Quality said:
gansito said:
i see what you did there, problem is sony exclusives have a hard time selling, but i will agree, HR will outsell Epic Mickey

They do? Which ones?

Ratchet, Killzone, Uncharted, Lair, Heavenly Sword.

- Ratchet sales are fine. In fact, how is it selling bad when it's selling faster than Tools of Destruction?

- Killzone 2 is sitting over 2million right now. How is it having a hard ime selling?

- Lair - lol. Funny - how did Too Human sell? Riiiiiight......games that are considered "sub-par" don't always sell.

- Heavenly Sword is at 1.5mill. Again, how are those sales bad?

What about Uncharted 2, Resistance 1 & 2, LBP? I see you mention some games, but not others. Every console has it's fairshare of lower sellers. And to know if a game is selling "bad" or not, you'd have to provide proof of the expectations. Since you haven't, my work is complete here.

The PS3 is almost infamous for not being able to sell tons of copies of their great exclusives. So far most games sold deccently thanks to bundles (Motorstorm, Uncharted, Hevnly Sword, Resistanc)

Killzone2 (2 million) has great legs but it's still pretty small compared to Gears of War (5-6 mill).

Lil Big People is rufly 2,5 mil, but one could expect more from a game with +95% Meta.

Same with Unharted 2. 96% meta should be a +5 million seller normally. It would if it was on X360.

"Decently"? Ok, in comparison to many of the 360's exclusives, not the big ones either, the PS3 hasn't done too bad. Also, saying that "most games sold due to bundles" is as biased as it is inaccurate, which is evident as you didn't even name "many".

Uncharted 2 WAS NOT heavily bundled. Has no compariosn on the 360.

Killzone 2 WAS NOT heavily bundled. Why is Killzone 2 being compared with Gears in the first place? Gears was the first breakout hit on the 360, a systme also generally known for a heavy shooter base. Killzone 2 was late to the game, and wasn't EVER expected to do 6mill, at least not from anyone rational. It'sll settle at 3-3.5mill or so.

LBP WAS NOT heavily bundled. Has no comparison on the 360.

So, tell me, besides Gears and Halo, what 360 exclusives have done "gangbusters"?

I mentioned the bundled ones specifically - Motorstorm, H Sword, Unch 1, Resistance.

I never claimed KZ2 or UC2 was bundled, but I made arguemnts of why them should have still sold better.


Gears 1&2, Halo 3, Halo 3 ODST, Fable II, Left4Dead, Mass Effect have sold gangbusters and better than expected, and without practically any bundles.

Actually, you never explained why they should have sold better, you said they didn't sell as expected, and then compared them to 360 games (Killzone 2 for example). That's NOT explaining why they should have sold better.

Also, tell me something, I agree with Killzone 2, it should have sold a bit better (though it still did fine), but what's wrong with Uncharted 2's numbers? If anything, the developer expected only 2.5mill, most of which is already knocked out and the game hasn't even been out 2 months yet. The game is staring 2mill in the face right now. If the developers expectations have been supassed, how is it "not performing well"?

 

I hinted at the obvious, that great games usually should sell a lot. So high review scores are my explanation.

LBP 95%, Uncharted 90%, KZ2 90%

And Uncharted 2. Well, the first made the franchise known, the PS3 install base had grown big to the release of the sequel and the game itself got amazing reviews, 96% Meta. Yet it didnt hit 1 mill first week (while for example Fable 3 did, with a much lower Meta 88%).

U urself (among many others) perdicted 4,5 million lifetime for KZ2:

CGI-Quality said:
I'll say 1st week: 800,000 - 1mill, 4.5 mill LTD.

 

CGI-Quality said:
Mine still stands: 700,000 first week, 4.5-5mill LTD. This might be playing it safe for week 1, it might do plenty more.

 

CGI-Quality said:
700,000-850,000 - first week
4.5-5 mill LTD
That's being cautious, it might do more first week, who knows!

 

 

 



CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:

So, tell me, besides Gears and halo, what 360 exclusives have done "gangbusters"?

Fable's pretty huge, Forza as well (though bundling pushed that).  Both are comparable to Sony's top exclusives sales wise so far (while Gears and especially Halo are a league above them).

LBP had EU hardware bundles though iirc?  It also sort of flopped at first (took FOREVER to hit a million), but took off after it hit the bargain bins.  Sort of like Uncharted 1, it eventually crawled to success.  

 

Halo is the equivalent to Gran Tursimo on the sales front, the game many people seem to forget was always Sony's big seller besides Final Fantasy.

Gears is the kicker for Microsoft, as it was a new IP that did extremely well. It deserves much credit.

Fable did well, but not a HUGE franchise like Gears or Halo. Considering Sony has far more IPs than Microsoft, I'd say they are doing quite well, and haven't even released their biggest seller yet.Sure, some of their bigger IPs could have done better, but then again, looking at the past, PlayStation franchises never really had numbers of that magintude outside of GTA (now multiplat), FF & GT.

The point stands.

GT's about Sony only comparable IP, but pretty much everything of theirs has taken a significant tumble this gen.  GT might be the exception, but don't be surprised if it takes the same proportional drop we saw with Sony's other 1st party series on PS3.  Really, it reminds a bit of Nintendo's base/fall/rise from N64/GC/Wii, the bigger the brand, the more total userbase affects sales.

And Fable's not near as big as Halo/Gears, but then neither is anything Sony's put out.  Fable II outsold every 1st party PS3 release this gen so far.  If Gears is the cutoff for HUGE, then for 1st party consoles we have...

 

Nintendo: Wii Sports/Play/Fit, Super Mario (+Kart/Party), Zelda

Microsoft: Halo, GOW

Sony: probably just GT



ClaudeLv250 said:
I'm going to have to go with Epic Mickey because it's Mickey Fucking Mouse by Warren Fucking Spector.

yeah.. that's about the end of this discussion



Let's think a graphic novel againts a platformer

Now which one is more likely to sell well?



That's the sad true to some