Has anybody proven me wrong yet?

Or are we going to argue about cinematics in games and how they don't really help anything except review scores? Cinematic games were perfected ages ago, and aren't really getting better or doing anything different. Games like Out of This World and Half-Life did it right. The game can feel cinematic without feeling like you're watching a movie instead of playing a game. It's possible, and it's great. But 99% of cinematic games are pathetic jokes. But hey, 99% of platformers are pathetic jokes too. But I'd rather play a bad platformer than a bad cinematic game. If I want bad cinematics, I'll watch a bad movie, and then play a good game afterwards. I can watch a bad movie in 1 or 2 hours, instead of playing through a 5-50 hour movie/game. And even better, some times bad movies have Christopher Walken or boobs or something.

Can you honestly resist these buns?

And also, I own NSMB Wii, and unlike what you stated, I have Uncharted 2 and it is definitely a better game to me. I enjoyed it way more.

Stop trying to force your bias opinion onto others as fact.

^Of course they revolutionized gaming, they brought in millions of people into gaming who never gamed before.

Umm, I've been playing 2D mario games for nearly 25 years now I still play the mario games on NES, why wouldn't I play NSMB Wii past feb, heck with multiplayer, i'll probably be playing it for another 25 years

I think that's a rather unfair litmus test for determining whether or not something qualifies as art. Certainly gaming is different from other forms of artIts definition and what it encompasses in continually changing. Sure, it's different. But so was cinema when it was in its early years. We changed our criteria to accomodate it.

Yes, some (perhaps) many people skip over cutscenes. In many cases it depends on the game and whether or not it's their first playthrough.

Cinema was just visual. But as we're aware, that has changed. You have to appreciated, that not everyone is a purist. For many, cutscenes may enhance the experience. I don't think there is an absolute answer here.

I agree, Monkey Island is great. Brilliant even.

Yes, you do control what Guybrush says. However, it is scripted and only particular paths allow to continue to progress through the game making most, if not all, dialogue choices irrelevent (but hilarious!). I don't know how many times he simply told me "that won't work" throughout the game. So while you do indeed have control, the game is still very much progressing the way the artist had intended.

Anyhow, I think I'm done here. I can't imagine either of us are going to convince the other.

fyi there both third person action adventure, boosting "good graphics, story, and gameplay", thats why i compared them but uncharted is missing the good sales part, which is the only thing that matters, they make these games to sell if they don't sell well they are obviously not very good since thats their job. developers job are to sell to the consumers not make what you think is good, and the best game only has to sell well since thats their primary job. i think your still stuck in that child's mindset that only what you think is good matters when your just another crying nerd that can't believe what you like doesn't sell well.

  And there are millions, upon millions who will never play Uncharted 2, even if you show the controller into their hands, but will gladly play NSMB Wii, just compare the sales and you'll see its not just my bias, you may consider U2 to be the better game, but many more people will not agree.

  Art is about the artist's vision, sans your control, this is why gaming is not art, because gaming is about control, even in games where your control is limited to certain paths, you still have control, sure you can't make guybrush leap off a cliff, but you can have him meander around for a while talking and even annoying people.

the fact that you need control in gaming is the reason it will never be an art form, that doesn;t make it bad, just different.

Yeah you're probably right that we'll never agree, but is cool, nearly everything else in this thread is opinion as well

i agree avinash, in the end uncharted will fail on the charts and the rest of the world will see nsmbwii is better, and little nerd boy radiantshadow will continue crying "uncharted is better"

I agree with you actually... though, generally, I prefer SRPGs and tower defense games.

New Super Mario Bros. Wii, I think, is the best game in the past decade or so with the exception of FFIV DS, Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, WoW and Starcraft.

reported >_>, and btw  me and the 2 million people who bought the game, will always say its the better game.....wether you like it or not the graphics are better, the story is better, the gameplay is subjective, and lasting appeal is way higher because it has online, oh btw, just becuase it doesnt par up to NSMB in sales doesnt mean it has bad sales