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nightsurge said:

Well perhaps the forum rules should be modified? 

Maybe you should read the post above yours.



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nightsurge said:
Kantor said:
nightsurge said:
Kantor said:
nightsurge said:
G2Daooze said:
360 has splinter cell and thats an exclusive

Fixed :)

Re-fixed.

Rule 8: Flamebait and Trolling

  • Do not call a game that is not exclusive an exclusive. This is considered trolling. This includes PC and console multiplats. For full details on this read this topic. Mods will be lenient about accidentally mislabeling a game you were uninformed about to some extent, but know what you are posting about. Repeat offenses of this will result in moderation.

Re-re-fixed.  Even a console exclusive is still an exclusive by definition.  And since no PC release date has been announced so far as I'm aware, it IS exclusive still :)

Definition of exclusive:

–adjective

1. not admitting of something else; incompatible: mutually exclusive plans of action.
2. omitting from consideration or account (often fol. by of): a profit of ten percent, exclusive of taxes.
3. limited to the object or objects designated: exclusive attention to business.
4. admitting only members of a socially restricted or very carefully selected group: an exclusive club.
5. excluding or tending to exclude, as from use or possession: exclusive laws.

You quoted the dictionary, I quoted the forum rules.

The forum rules take precedence.

Well perhaps the forum rules should be modified?  Perhaps it should explicitly say you have to use the term console exclusive?  Because if I were to not count every game that is on both one console and PC as an exclusive, it'd be a discredit to those console owners.  By definition of exclusive, all you need to do is exclude others from the group.  So a game on 2 platforms or more that excludes others is still an "exclusive" by the way I see it.  There is only like 1 or 2 definitions of exclusive that explicitly state "only one" or something similar.

EDIT:  Sorry Zexen!  Posted this before your post showed up :(

I see no problem in clarifying this, because it'll help everyone understand it.

The rule clearly states that "for more info there's a topic about it" and gives a link, which is http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2771250. The topic in question shows

You can:

Call a game that's only on one platform (be it 360, PS3, PC, Wii, DS, PSP, 3DO, whatever) an "exclusive."
Call a game that's on one console and PC or handheld a "(name of console) console exclusive."*
Call a remake an "exclusive."**

You cannot:

Call a game that's on more than one platform (be it 360, PS3, PC, Wii, DS, PSP, Atari 2600, whatever) an "exclusive."
Call a game that's on one console and PC or handheld an "exclusive."
Call a port an "exclusive."**

 

I hope this clears any doubts anyone might have




zexen_lowe said:

I see no problem in clarifying this, because it'll help everyone understand it.

The rule clearly states that "for more info there's a topic about it" and gives a link, which is http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2771250. The topic in question shows

[quote]

You can:

Call a game that's only on one platform (be it 360, PS3, PC, Wii, DS, PSP, 3DO, whatever) an "exclusive."
Call a game that's on one console and PC or handheld a "(name of console) console exclusive."*
Call a remake an "exclusive."**

You cannot:

Call a game that's on more than one platform (be it 360, PS3, PC, Wii, DS, PSP, Atari 2600, whatever) an "exclusive."
Call a game that's on one console and PC or handheld an "exclusive."
Call a port an "exclusive."**

[quote]

 

I hope this clears any doubts anyone might have

To clarify further, a game on a console is exclusive, even if a different game of the same name is on another console.

For example, LBP is still PS3 exclusive (and PSP exclusive), and Gran Turismo is PS1 and PSP exclusive.

EDIT: Also, NSMB and NSMBWii. Both exclusive.



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AE101 said:
jarrod said:
I think there's issues of scale here. Frankly it doesn't make sense to me when someone says Halo Reach won't be a "system seller", then in the next breath say FFXIII will be a "sysetm seller" in Japan when the reality is FFXIII's JP hardware bump will probably be less than Reach's US hardware bump.


No it won't...and that's exactly the point. The first game of an established BIG IP releasing on a new generation of consoles almost always moves hardware, Halo Reach doesn't qualify. That's why people are saying GT5 and FF13 will sell systems. The 360 has no games left like this, hence why it has no system sellers left.

Halo ODST did absoloutely nothing to boost hardware, any hardware affects Halo had went out the window with Halo 3.

My problem with FFXIII (besides being multiplatform) and GT5 is that these games have been pushed and teased since even before launch.  With all the demos, all the prologues, all the coverage, all the trailers, all the built up and extended hype (for literally YEARS now), I think a lot of system purchases have already taken place for these games.  If it were still 2007 or something, then yeah there'd a be a gigantic impact.  Now though, I think that's impact's been softened.

ODST was also an expansion of H3, I'm not sure you can compare it to Reach really.  I don't think Reach will put up insane numbers or anything, but it'll definitely push hardware to a greater degree than ODST did.



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I definitely think Gran Turismo 5 will be a system seller. I alone know 2 ppl that said the day GT5 comes out they will buy a ps3. I think there are a lot of ppl out there that aren't the biggest gamers, but love cars and racing, and bc of what GT stands for and how realistic it is graphically and with the actual driving and handling of the cars these ppl love playing it.

Now as for big exclusive games coming out in 2010:
PS3:
-GT5
-GoWIII (no one mentioned this, but I think it can move some systems)
-Heavy Rain
-MAG
-White Knight Chronicles
-Last Guardian
-Quantum
-Agent (Rockstar game)
-Twisted Metal PS3
-Wardevil

There's so many ps3 exclusives coming out I think the sheer number of games can move systems haha.

Xbox 360:
-Alan Wake (I don't own a 360, but this game looks pretty sweet, MAY be able to move some systems, maybe not though..)
-SC: Conviction (not really my type of game, but looks pretty decent)
-Mass Effect 2
-Halo: Reach

Ppl were saying 2010, esp mid-2010 is looking really dry, but I think 2010 is gonna be a great year for games all the way through.



Wardevil's multiplatform btw. Your 360 list is missing Crackdown 2 and Fable III.



jarrod said:
Wardevil's multiplatform btw. Your 360 list is missing Crackdown 2 and Fable III.

Plus I don't think Twisted Metal, Agent, or The Last Guardian have release dates even hinted at yet.  I wouldn't be surprised to see at least 2 of those games get pushed back to 2011.



MS has nothing left.

GT5 will end its life in Europe.



CGI-Quality said:
Hus said:
MS has nothing left.

GT5 will end its life in Europe.

What draws you to this conclusion though?

Look at his avatar and sig. You're expecting logic?



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