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Quite obvious that the "It Only Does Everything" ad campaign has helped change the perception of the PS3 dramatically within the United States. This surge in sales proves that a competitive price and great advertising can actually change a console's fortunes.

2009 has actually turned out to be the year of the PS3. Not only will the PS3 probably outsell the Wii in Japan for the duration of this year, it will also outsell the 360 worldwide in 2009, and there's a chance that the PS3 will outsell the 360 in America for the duration of this year. Yeah, that's right, the PS3 might beat 360 in the 360's homeland (starting the week of January 4th, it's behind by 445k for the year).



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Zucas said:
Yes I'd also like to say kudos to Sony. This is truly a huge success of marketing and advertising that has been absolutely superb. I mean this is one that I'd write down in the books because it is textbook execution. Other companies might want to take notes.

Wow really.  This post has caused a 100 post argument.  Seriously, some of you need to work on some comprehension because a post like this should not be so brutally taken out of context to fit your own argument. 

First I'd like to thank CGI and Steverhcp02 for actually understanding what I was saying.  Here was a reply from Steve:

"Zucas was talking about recreating a brand image. On this website, as you may have noticed, we discuss sales figures of consoles sold. We may see a thread or two pop up to talk about financials, but this thread here is a sales figures thread. Its not an economics or shareholders thread."

 

Really absolutely spectacular as that is what I was stating.  Sony was in a "dire" situation before PS3 Slim.  They were falling deeper into 3rd, none of the game sin the first half of the year had a strong effect, and MS and Nintendo (although not high over the year before) were still going pretty solidy.  Sony had to act and they didn't just throw out a plan, the formulated it and well executed it. 

By the books means that they fully backed up a marketing operation.  They proposed a new incentive on why to buy their product (pricedrop/new design).  Second, they provided incentives why now was a good time (Uncharted 2, Ratchet and Clank, God of War Collection, etc) all were big software releases with U2 at the front of releases.  Finally, the provided an ingenious and strong commerical marketing campaign that was pervasive, somewhat humerous, but all at the same time showed the value of the new product and justifying its price.  Release a product, provide incenvtives, and then reason to the customer why.  THAT IS TEXTBOOK EXECUTION.

 

Compare that to Sony's old advertising for the PS3 this generation and you'll understand why it is such an improvement.  Just as Steve stated, it was about recreating a brand image and Sony did that well.  Now some are suggesting I'm completely overlooking the financial downfall of it?  Now why would I do that.  My original quote states nothing about the financial situation.  Actually Jagged commented on this agreeing and stating the financials though is a problem and I wholeheartedly agree with him... was going to reply but was just going to class then so had to get off.  Obviously Sony has made a risky move in doing all this just like they did in the beginning of the PS3.  They are going to suffer monetarily becuase of that and I don't think anyone expects a profit this next quarter.  My question to you is why does that matter in determining whether their marketing campaign was a success or not.  The point is it doesn't and bringing it up is not a logical argument to how good they did in marketing. 

Even further people are taking out of context what my last sentence states.  I said some companies should take notes.  I never mentioned any company in particular because really I wasn't trying to suggest any other companies.  Simply giving a general statement that when trying to sell a product you want to do something like this because it has obviously worked.  I think MS and Nintendo have not only done great jobs of marketing but loads and loads better than Sony has done throughout this entire generation.  This is really the first time I've seen Sony have a competent and well functioning marketing campaign.  And even with that going on, I wrote an article a few days ago talking about how on the flip opposite how bad the PSP Go marketing campaign has been. 

 

Really all of the debate about this has been unfounded and silly.  I was complimenting Sony on how well they did with the PS3 Slim and simply that.  I wasn't throwing anyone else overboard nor was I stating this didn't have consequences for releasing the Slim.  This is a sales discussion and I was discussing how such sales have been able to happen on the PS3 slim and this is my reasoning why.  My post before that also talked about something similar about "values" switching in America between 360 and PS3 on a similar line of discussion.  I suggest some of you read it.



You didn't need to justify your post dude. People are just trying to find anyway they can to bring this news down. They are in panic mode.



letsdance said:
You didn't need to justify your post dude. People are just trying to find anyway they can to bring this news down. They are in panic mode.

Sounds about right.

All that matters is, 3 out of the 5 platforms are doing REALLY well in sales.

The other 2... Not so much.

This month will be interesting.



                            

hatmoza said:
Seece said:
What are we talking about here? I wanna join in

Sorry, you have to own a PS3 to join

with these sales numbers it is impossible he doesn't own one!



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letsdance said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:

Well the elite was never mentioned as the console of discussion. So when making a point i recommend being more concise with your topics.

Too bad its not realistic. By the time MSFT would drop the Elite to $199 the PS3 could drop to $249 (Next fall) If they drop it sooner theyd either have to get rid of the arcade model, which by all account they probably favor since its os cheap and require so many additional purches to upgrade it.

I think it speaks volumes to how much the generation has changed when we need to talk about whether an Elite needs to be $100 less than the PS3 to compete.


But if PS3 drops, then you basically have Sony going deeper into the red to combat the 360, kind of my point, MS would benefit either way, as Sony would be forced to continue to bleed

You basing an entire argument about this based on profitability more than a year from now. Need i say more.


Sony already admitted profitability is more than a year off

They will most definatly profit this and next quarter... then profit 2 quarters later.... lol you make it seem like they are just going to post losses untill then... Sony profitted last year this quarter. They are loosing much less per ps3 and have FF13, AC2, and MW2 with the normal SW sales. Next quarter they will have how many games? GoW3, GT5, FF13 westward, and various other games. Then who knows what they'll do Q1 and Q2 but Q3 they should post another profit... and if they are expecting a profit in FY '10 they should make a profit yet again... you seriously are making it out worse than it is.

No, Sony already admitted they aren't going to see profit until the end of the next fiscal year at the earliest, so no profit this quarter



 

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Damn before i went to sleep this morning it was all happy happy joy joy in here, a few hours later the thread became a total melt down.
Who really cares how much Sony/Nintendo/MS makes? all we really want to see is market share increase every week, saying companies sold consoles at a lost after pushing out 700k consoles on black Friday seems very desperate.
Bottom line is Nin and Sony cleaned house this year, MS will have their say later, at least they are staying competitive which is very good for them.



Avinash_Tyagi said:
letsdance said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
steverhcp02 said:

Well the elite was never mentioned as the console of discussion. So when making a point i recommend being more concise with your topics.

Too bad its not realistic. By the time MSFT would drop the Elite to $199 the PS3 could drop to $249 (Next fall) If they drop it sooner theyd either have to get rid of the arcade model, which by all account they probably favor since its os cheap and require so many additional purches to upgrade it.

I think it speaks volumes to how much the generation has changed when we need to talk about whether an Elite needs to be $100 less than the PS3 to compete.


But if PS3 drops, then you basically have Sony going deeper into the red to combat the 360, kind of my point, MS would benefit either way, as Sony would be forced to continue to bleed

You basing an entire argument about this based on profitability more than a year from now. Need i say more.


Sony already admitted profitability is more than a year off

They will most definatly profit this and next quarter... then profit 2 quarters later.... lol you make it seem like they are just going to post losses untill then... Sony profitted last year this quarter. They are loosing much less per ps3 and have FF13, AC2, and MW2 with the normal SW sales. Next quarter they will have how many games? GoW3, GT5, FF13 westward, and various other games. Then who knows what they'll do Q1 and Q2 but Q3 they should post another profit... and if they are expecting a profit in FY '10 they should make a profit yet again... you seriously are making it out worse than it is.

No, Sony already admitted they aren't going to see profit until the end of the next fiscal year at the earliest, so no profit this quarter


LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!! Sony also said they expect to turn profit by the end of FY '09 but they still made profit last year lol lol lol



PS3 did surprisingly better than the 360.



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{gets horrified}

ergh

FF13 WILL BE THE BEST GAME EVER!!!! right guys?



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