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Kantor on 01 December 2009
cgkc17 said:
maykissthebride said:
cgkc17 said:
 

What does it matter to you if a game doesn't have the same amount of production values or advertising? does it make it less fun to play?

 

YES!!!!!!!!!!

 

production values = care in the making, creativity, effort, investment.

 

Less produtcion values = crappier game!!!!!

So Little Kings Story, Tales of Symphonia: DotNW, No More Heroes, and Rune Factory Frontier are all crappier games than Resident Evil 5, Assassins Creed, or MW2?

All of those games had care, creativity, effort and investment.

Some of them are better than others, but that's not the point. They are all good games, because effort was put into them. In fact, arguably the worst of those, AC(1), had very little creativity: it involved running around a city, doing chores, and stabbing somebody, before mashing a button to escape. AC2 remedied those problems, and dared to be a little innovative, and look at the critical and commercial response it got, compared to the original!



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Xen on 01 December 2009
Kantor said:
jarrod said:
Developing HD games is also 'risky'. Just ask Free Radical, GRiN, Sega Racing Studio, Factor 5, Pandemic Studios...

You know what all of those studios had in common? They made crappy games, and paid the price.

I wanted to say that, but my computer lagged out...

Purely true, save for SEGA racing studio.



jarrod on 01 December 2009
Soma said:
maykissthebride said:
Kantor said:
But when the Wii does get a "large" third party game, while it does sell very well, it doesn't match the sales of the HD versions.

Can you point an exemple?

An exemple of the wii getting a "large" third party game

Cmon, i wanna hear it.

 

Silent Hill?

Silent Hill isn't large, it hasn't been since SH3.  I bet the Shattered Memories doesn't tank as hard as the Homecoming did though (yet another HD bomb).



Gintoki on 01 December 2009
-Newcloud- said:
wii sports sold well i wonder why?? *cough*bundles*cough*

people only but nintendo products for some reason... if you want big budget games get a ps3 or 360

You talk about the first Wii Sport, right?Well it is not bundled with Japanese Wii.

I have awesome games on my Ninty consoles.I don't fine a lot of great games exclusive to the HD twins,most of the games that interested me were also on PC,which has better graphics.



Kantor on 01 December 2009
jarrod said:
Kantor said:
jarrod said:
Developing HD games is also 'risky'. Just ask Free Radical, GRiN, Sega Racing Studio, Factor 5, Pandemic Studios...

You know what all of those studios had in common? They made crappy games, and paid the price.

Sega Rally Revo was pretty much the opposite of crappy.  And it still bombed so hard Sega closed the developer within six months.

Actually, Sega's one of the few publishers to really have almost nothing but bombs on the HD machines and some ridiculous success on Wii.

The exception to the rule is not the rule.

How does Sega have "nothing but bombs" on the HD consoles, exactly?

As an aside, Sega's most successful Wii game has Mario in it.



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cgkc17 on 01 December 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
cgkc17 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kantor said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Out of 20 Wii games I own, only 3 are third party, seriously, third parties need to step up on the Wii

Now, whose fault is that? The third parties' for not making Wii games, or yours for not buying them and supporting their efforts? Because I can sure as hell name more than three quality third party Wii games. Off the top of my head:

-Zack and Wiki

-MadWorld

-No More Heroes

-World at War

-The Conduit

Five, without even thinking.

I own Zack and Wiki, had no interest in any of the other games on your list

what does interest you?

The three third party games I own are RE4 Wii, Rabbids go home, Zack and Wiki, recent Nintendo games I bought, Wii Sports resort, Wii Fit plus, Metroid Prime Trilogy and New Super Mario Bros. Wii

Would it be safe to say you're more interested in nintendo/nintendo-style games?



Xen on 01 December 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Xen said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Out of 20 Wii games I own, only 3 are third party, seriously, third parties need to step up on the Wii

Then pay more attention to stuff that's released on the Wii. There are tons of good third party games on the platform, exclusive and multiplat.

No, there really isn't, I know, I've played a lot of Wii third party games, haven't enjoyed most of them enough to buy

We have opposite tastes, then. Most of the Wii games I want are third party.



Gintoki on 01 December 2009
Xen said:
maykissthebride said:
Snesboy said:
NKAJ said:

Good wii games DO SELL A LOT. Look at wii fit and Wii Sports resort.

 

sorry you think wii fit and wii sports are good games??/????

Oh snap!

They´re not good games. They´re amazing games.

They're amazing... tech demos.

demos?Kinda agree with wii sports but not with resort, the saber fights are actually great.



maykissthebride on 01 December 2009
Kantor said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Out of 20 Wii games I own, only 3 are third party, seriously, third parties need to step up on the Wii

Now, whose fault is that? The third parties' for not making Wii games, or yours for not buying them and supporting their efforts? Because I can sure as hell name more than three quality third party Wii games. Off the top of my head:

-Zack and Wiki

-MadWorld

-No More Heroes

-World at War

-The Conduit

Five, without even thinking.

-Zack and Wiki

Niche. Not as good as reviewrs want you to belive. Latter stages are a horrible exercise of trial and error. Thank god i got rid of that.

 

-MadWorld

I like it. Still have it. But is repetitive and small. Most people hated. Black and white game with over the top violence isnt niche? Madworld is almost a God Hand clone, and God Hand didnt sold anything on the PS2. You cant blame the wii for Madworld. (PS: i love god hand too!)

 

-No More Heroes

LOL! I liked this one too, never bought it. But cmon, theres ANYTHING more niche than that? An otaku in a bizarre and graphically horrible cel-shaded empity city. Oh yeah, there is something more niche than that: Madworld!

 

-World at War

Lame port. Downgraded version. You take the HD graphics and put nothing on its place. Sold more than it deserves.

 

-The Conduit

Still have it. Dissapointing online. Terrible history. Made by an almost indie studio. They didnt even had an publisher, for god sake.

 

Where is the big boy´s money? Where is the effort from big publishers? In World at War? Make me laugh.



Kantor on 01 December 2009
maykissthebride said:
Kantor said:
maykissthebride said:
Kantor said:
But when the Wii does get a "large" third party game, while it does sell very well, it doesn't match the sales of the HD versions.

Can you point an exemple?

An exemple of the wii getting a "large" third party game

Cmon, i wanna hear it.

World at War.

You asked me to name a large third party game on the Wii which sold less than the HD versions, and I did so. You can't complain about "inferior versions" (though I hear the Wiimote is better for FPS than the gamepad, never tried it), because remember, that's part of rule 1.

LOL!


I cant complain about "inferior versions"?


Of course i can!!!!

 

You have a better product and a worse product. Do you want both to sell the same??????

 

Read my first point. A game has to be different to be on Wii. Technical aspects have to be sacrificed, and a new control scheme has to implemented.

And the problems with WaW Wii were to do with the technical aspects, right? The controls worked fine, from what I've heard.



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