- ignore.

The polar opposite to Sony who know what gamers don't want, like Rumble, oh wait they want it now...

sony told them they did.

The usual trolls flooded this thread with their hate.

@Lord Flashheart: Of course he can talk about it as much as likes to. That goes for how people perceive the talk just as well. If you want to discuss the matter, feel free to do so. This is a internet forum that exist for the purpose, don't whine when someone makes a comment that doesn't please you.

Yes, i do know the difference between internet and WWW.
Let's put in more understandable form: Segregating (the user) from open to access internet and use their own proprietary restricted service instead.

Whether you use the console webbrowser is irrelevant since the browser is there anyway, handy and is a very fast way to access the internet, since the time it takes to start your exceeds by multiple factor the time it takes to start your Wii and go to the webpage preferred. It's also handy to use in the comfort of your couch.

I always thought it was Sega with Dreamcast that made online playing a standard in games consoles.

And yes, i can play games online with both of the consoles, so i didn't get the point of the "Nintendo consoles" comment.

Live as the most successful console internet service depends on the measure used. If we are talking about the number of people who pay to get to play in it, then yes. If we are talking about the service with most users, then no (though, my information is a little old).

To put the "haters" into perspective, don't be such a fanboy to jump the gun every time someone says something about M$ you don't like.

@NJ5: To be specific, the innovation didn't come from M$, it was the israeli company that M$ bought last summer.
Other than that, they obviously are seeking ways to use it.

Glad it's not in my head

My thoughts exactly.

So many things wrong there. MS was working on a Natal like software in house but bought the israeli for it's hardware

"Project Natal is reportedly based on software technology developed internally by Microsoft and hardware intellectual property acquired from time-of-flight camera developer 3DV Systems.^{[7][14][21][22][23][24]} Before agreeing to sell all its assets in March 2009,^[25] 3DV had been preparing its own depth-sensing webcam controller, known as the ZCam.^{[26][fn 2]}

Described by Microsoft personnel as the primary innovation of Project Natal,^{[29][14][24][30]} the software technology enables advanced gesture recognition, facial recognition, and voice recognition.^[22] The skeletal mapping technology shown at E3 2009 was capable of simultaneously tracking up to four users for motion analysis,^{[14][19][22][31]} with a feature extraction of 48 skeletal points on a human body at a frame rate of 30 hertz.^[20][31] Depending on the person's distance from the sensor, Project Natal is capable of tracking models that can identify individual fingers.^[19][22]"

So innovation still goes to MS as much as you hate that also a Little bit for NJ5 at the end.

To be honest I don't see anything other than this becoming a reality in the next ~10 years or so and I think it would be great. When this technology is perfected (and let's not forget this is still in early development) would you really still rather scroll through menus using a controller rather than just your hands? You'll be able to access and navigate menus far more efficiently (even more so with speech recognition).

As for people claiming they don't want random movements to register I think you're underestimating the technology. It really wouldn't be difficult to avoid such problems. For example, to even open the menu then perhaps a specific gesture (such as a 360 hand wave ect) could be required so that random movements do not trigger any actions. Also the problem of 'clicking' or selecting an option really isn't difficult to solve. It could be tied into the voice recognition or even simply an 'OK' button could be displayed on the on screen display menu which you move your hand over once you've highlighted your choice. You also wouldn't have to cycle through channels one by one. The speed by which you move your hand would determine how quickly you move through the listings much like the touch screen technology does when you select songs on your Ipod.

Do you really think it will be designed to work that way?

@Lord Flockheart: Ok, thanks for the information. I knew that the 3DV was working on the hardware and software seen in Natal, but i didn't know M$ was working on similar software.

You know, when someone makes an argument, the argument doesn't go away by calling it hate. What you need to do is address the argument with your own.